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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by

      It will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm not sure how that dual function device will present in an adapter like that. 🤔

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      • JonathanLeeJ
        JonathanLee @stephenw10
        last edited by

        @stephenw10 I am asking about it on FreeBSD forum its radio silence, I did find a post where they got an Intel Optane to function and work so it has the drivers. Intel I am hoping has it all managed on the m.2 card so as long as it can see the drive I should be able to utilize the onboard memory by way of Intel's onboard code. "praying"

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          Best case I imagine is that it just appears like a normal NVMe drive and the RAM cache is all handled on-board. No drivers needed.

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          • JonathanLeeJ
            JonathanLee @stephenw10
            last edited by

            @stephenw10

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            Can I use the mini usb port with an adapter to get the 5.0Gbps speeds for a usb drive?

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              The console port? Nope that is only connected to the serial converter IC. AFAIK you can only use the one external USB A port.

              The m.2 slot has USB connectivity but I'm not sure what speeds are available. You're already using that slot anyway though.

              The miniPCIe slot does not have USB. It has PCIe of course so it might be possible to run an NVMe drive in an adapter there even if it cant boot from it. Not something I've tried.

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              • JonathanLeeJ
                JonathanLee @stephenw10
                last edited by JonathanLee

                @stephenw10 thanks, I didn’t think about using an adapter, I am not using the AP on that slot right now. Something like this?? M Key? I will have to remove the compex card from it.

                Mini PCIE to M.2 M Key Adapter, Support 2230/2242/2260/2280 M.2 SSD M.2 NGFF Nvme M Key Converter Adapter

                This has 90 on it

                xiwai 90 Degree Angled PCI-E 4.0 NVME M-Key M.2 22x30mm to 22x80mm High Storage Extension SSD Converter Board Upgrade Expansion Adapter Compatible with 2230 to 2280 SSD Handheld ROG Ally Gaming

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  To be clear I have no idea if that would work! 😉 If I had such an adapter I would try it out of curiosity.

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                  • JonathanLeeJ
                    JonathanLee @stephenw10
                    last edited by JonathanLee

                    @stephenw10 there is some posts about SSD not working in that slot for 1100 but they are using minipcie drives, is it only usb2.0 speed on the mpcie or faster? Thanks for the reply. I am excited but it would have to have a cable because it would be to long in a 2100. It’s one lane, would it only top out at Single Direction: 2.5 Gbps/200MBps
                    Dual Direction: 5 Gbps/400MBps

                    That is where the 5gbps usb0 is at I am thinking on start up logs

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                    • JonathanLeeJ
                      JonathanLee @stephenw10
                      last edited by JonathanLee

                      @stephenw10

                      Sintech M.2 (NGFF) nVME SSD to Mini PCIe Adapter with 20cm Cable

                      I am going to try it with the Intel Optane for swap. It should make use of the usb0 bus technically that is what it is. As long as the drive is connected and has power it should see it. Maybe not boot from it but be able to gpart it and activate it. I have the m key drive so maybe I can get access to 5gbps

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        All SSDs I've seen that fit the mPCIe format are mSATA it that socket is not wired for mSATA. It's PCIe only. So theoretically an NVMe drive in that format would be seen on the PCIe bus. As would an m.2 drive in a PCI adapter. Theoretically!

                        In reality I've never seen an NVMe drive in aarch64 and have no way to test it. But I'd expect it to work.

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                        • JonathanLeeJ
                          JonathanLee @stephenw10
                          last edited by

                          @stephenw10 getting it to fit will be a challenge, with the cable I should be able to add nonconductive tape on the bottom of it and Velcro it, the other straight adapters would be too long it would hit the back, and the 90 degree one would work but put the drive directly over the cpu and memory with the added heat that would cause issues. I am thinking about velcroing it to the top side where it is close to the vented area, adding a heat sink or something to it.

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                          • JonathanLeeJ
                            JonathanLee @stephenw10
                            last edited by

                            @stephenw10 It works !!!

                            Amazing!!!

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                            (nda0: nvme version 1.3 x1 (max x2) lanes PCIe Gen2 (max Gen3) link)

                            I still do not know how to access the optane side of this as you can see it only sees 238 the other 16 is not shown is it automatically assigned?

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                            • JonathanLeeJ
                              JonathanLee
                              last edited by

                              Screenshot 2024-12-22 at 20.27.41.png

                              nvme

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                              geom -t

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                              • JonathanLeeJ
                                JonathanLee
                                last edited by

                                Screenshot 2024-12-22 at 20.30.59.png

                                (pciconf -vI)

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                                • JonathanLeeJ
                                  JonathanLee
                                  last edited by

                                  Screenshot 2024-12-22 at 20.31.54.png

                                  It is seeing it what one is the optane memory vs the ssd part of it ? I think it is nvme0ns1

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                                  • JonathanLeeJ
                                    JonathanLee
                                    last edited by

                                    Screenshot 2024-12-22 at 20.34.12.png

                                    This has to be it nvme0ns1 shows 244 its 256GB SSD and 16GB Optane

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      Nice. So that's in a USB enclosure of some sort?

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                                      • JonathanLeeJ
                                        JonathanLee @stephenw10
                                        last edited by JonathanLee

                                        @stephenw10 thanks for the reply and recommendations. yes but do I have to use specific NVMecontroler commands now to reformat it or is that automatic ? I was reading that it shows up with the n infront of the da0. Again I do not know how to access the Optane side of this. I have never played with NVMe commands before I found some on the FreeBSD forum

                                        Shell Output - nvmecontrol identify nvme0
                                        Controller Capabilities/Features
                                        ================================
                                        Vendor ID:                   8086
                                        Subsystem Vendor ID:         8086
                                        Serial Number:               BTTE9510086T256D-1
                                        Model Number:                INTEL HBRPEKNX0101AH
                                        Firmware Version:            HPS1
                                        Recommended Arb Burst:       6
                                        IEEE OUI Identifier:         5c d2 e4
                                        Multi-Path I/O Capabilities: Not Supported
                                        Max Data Transfer Size:      131072 bytes
                                        Sanitize Crypto Erase:       Supported
                                        Sanitize Block Erase:        Supported
                                        Sanitize Overwrite:          Not Supported
                                        Sanitize NDI:                Not Supported
                                        Sanitize NODMMAS:            Undefined
                                        Controller ID:               0x0001
                                        Version:                     1.3.0
                                        
                                        Admin Command Set Attributes
                                        ============================
                                        Security Send/Receive:       Not Supported
                                        Format NVM:                  Supported
                                        Firmware Activate/Download:  Supported
                                        Namespace Management:        Not Supported
                                        Device Self-test:            Supported
                                        Directives:                  Not Supported
                                        NVMe-MI Send/Receive:        Not Supported
                                        Virtualization Management:   Not Supported
                                        Doorbell Buffer Config:      Not Supported
                                        Get LBA Status:              Not Supported
                                        Sanitize:                    crypto, block,
                                        Abort Command Limit:         4
                                        Async Event Request Limit:   8
                                        Number of Firmware Slots:    2
                                        Firmware Slot 1 Read-Only:   No
                                        Per-Namespace SMART Log:     Yes
                                        Error Log Page Entries:      256
                                        Number of Power States:      5
                                        Total NVM Capacity:          0 bytes
                                        Unallocated NVM Capacity:    0 bytes
                                        Firmware Update Granularity: 00 (Not Reported)
                                        Host Buffer Preferred Size:  0 bytes
                                        Host Buffer Minimum Size:    0 bytes
                                        
                                        NVM Command Set Attributes
                                        ==========================
                                        Submission Queue Entry Size
                                          Max:                       64
                                          Min:                       64
                                        Completion Queue Entry Size
                                          Max:                       16
                                          Min:                       16
                                        Number of Namespaces:        1
                                        Compare Command:             Supported
                                        Write Uncorrectable Command: Supported
                                        Dataset Management Command:  Supported
                                        Write Zeroes Command:        Supported
                                        Save Features:               Supported
                                        Reservations:                Not Supported
                                        Timestamp feature:           Supported
                                        Verify feature:              Not Supported
                                        Fused Operation Support:     Not Supported
                                        Format NVM Attributes:       Crypto Erase, Per-NS Erase, Per-NS Format
                                        Volatile Write Cache:        Present
                                        
                                        NVM Subsystem Name:          nqn.2019-51.com.intel:nvm-subsystem-sn-btte9510086t256d-1
                                        

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Shouldn't be any special commands required.

                                          ndaX is how I expect any NVMe drive to appear.

                                          The interesting thing would be to see how the PCIe device appears as presumably it's a different PCIe bus/controller connected via USB.

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                                          • JonathanLeeJ
                                            JonathanLee @stephenw10
                                            last edited by

                                            @stephenw10
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                                            Is this what you are looking for ?

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