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    • M
      MacUsers
      last edited by

      thanks @stephenw10 !
      I think I got all the info I needed. Now have to decide to-buy or not-to-buy :)

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        MacUsers @stephenw10
        last edited by MacUsers

        @stephenw10 said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

        Yes it is possible to fit two NVMe drives and install to them as a zfs mirror:

        Got my 8200 now ๐Ÿ˜
        Just a quick Q: M.2 SATA won't work, right?
        I ordered 2 of those, but now I think not a match?
        https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09ZYPV5RW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

        If not, any recomendation?

        -S

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          @MacUsers said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

          https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09ZYPV5RW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

          Indeed m.2 SATA won't work they must be NVMe.

          I don't have any specific recommendations there, I have tested some Intel Optane drives but they are 16GB. The cheapest I could get to test with!

          There are some threads in the Netgate hardware section with drives others have used. By aware of this bug detailing some drives that caused issues: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/15110

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            MacUsers @stephenw10
            last edited by MacUsers

            Not sure why Netgate had to choose a motherboard with such an uncommon configuration as pretty much 99% M.2 NVMe drives are all M-Key type ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

            I'm giving this a try now.
            https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09P58BJ2L/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?th=1

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
              last edited by

              @MacUsers said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

              https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09P58BJ2L/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?th=1

              Pretty sure that's also M keyed. Pretty much anything that fits the B keyed slot will be M+B keyed. I don't think I've ever seen a B key only SSD.

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                MacUsers @stephenw10
                last edited by MacUsers

                You are righ!
                now I see: judging by this pin-out:
                695fd4f5-6f92-4571-b0d0-c5c72b86eb63-image.png

                looks like pretty much nothing available ๐Ÿ˜ง

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                  MacUsers @MacUsers
                  last edited by

                  Never heard of 'em, but that's the only thing I could find in Amazon UK:

                  https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0DL5WYGJ1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A14U8PTXJ71BWF&th=1

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    @MacUsers said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

                    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0DL5WYGJ1/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A14U8PTXJ71BWF&th=1

                    Hmm, me either.

                    There is a recent recommendation here: https://forum.netgate.com/topic/195962/netgate-6100-replacement-128gb-nvme-drive

                    Not in the UK though.

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                      MacUsers @stephenw10
                      last edited by

                      Yeah, I was looking in that post as well......... I couldn't find anywhere to buy Innodisk from.

                      BTW, do you know how to get to the BIOS? I'm on Mac and pressing ESC is not entering BIOS setup at all.

                      -S

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        There is no conventional bios setup in blinkboot. The only options there are the efi boot device table and the reset and pxe hotkeys.

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                          MacUsers
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                          Another disspoinment - the GiGimundo disk I have been sent (by Amazon) is actualy a K-Key only. Either the picture in the listing is worng or I was genuinely sent a worng item by warehouse staff. But I now believe the former is the case.

                          But that makes a lot bigger concern: if a B+M key cannot be sourced, what happens if the HDD fails, especially after the warranty. We will be left witha very expensive paper-weaight, I suppose.

                          -S

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                            Gertjan @MacUsers
                            last edited by Gertjan

                            @MacUsers said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

                            if a B+M key cannot be sourced

                            More then enough :
                            https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MR5O5YS/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0?sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9ocXBfc2hhcmVk&th=1

                            Never delete a file anymore drive :
                            https://www.amazon.com/KingSpec-Performance-Internal-Solid-Ultrabook/dp/B08FQVNY5K/ref=pd_ci_mcx_pspc_dp_2_i_4?pd_rd_w=v7kTV&content-id=amzn1.sym.cd152278-debd-42b9-91b9-6f271389fda7&pf_rd_p=cd152278-debd-42b9-91b9-6f271389fda7&pf_rd_r=RQCEC0V1HR020ZW6463P&pd_rd_wg=tl5tJ&pd_rd_r=834c8db7-5bd2-47d3-b2f0-10d25fd34507&pd_rd_i=B08FQVNY5K&th=1

                            Note : both are B+M keyed drives, the image tells me so, and it's written in the sales text.

                            If they send you something different, X keyed, suggest that they pause building boosters and give more love to the shipping department ๐Ÿ˜Š

                            No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                            Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              That's SATA not NVMe. Must be an NVMe drive in 8200 / 6100 / 4100.

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                              • stephenw10S
                                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                last edited by stephenw10

                                This should work: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C64DVYZ9

                                I haven't tested it though.

                                I can say that the 16G Intel Optane drives work well and are readily available used since nobody wants them any longer.

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                                  MacUsers @Gertjan
                                  last edited by MacUsers

                                  @Gertjan
                                  There is hardly any B+K NVMe availabe in UK that can be reasonably sourced; plenty of SATA availabe though. I'm looking for one eversince I got my 8200.

                                  -S

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                                    MacUsers @stephenw10
                                    last edited by

                                    @stephenw10 said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

                                    This should work: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C64DVYZ9

                                    Thanks!
                                    I'm goinna give it a try. Hopefully the picture and listing is correct.

                                    -S

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                      last edited by

                                      Mmm, I'm pretty sure it will boot but I have no idea if it will hit the reboot issue. ๐Ÿคž

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                                        MacUsers
                                        last edited by

                                        okay, finally worked!!
                                        I wanted to a have a bit bigger disk than 128G, so picked up a pair of those from eBay

                                        8d22235f-31c8-4d78-8f2e-09f9b9b10df7-image.png

                                        So far, running for 8 hrs. without any rebooting issue.

                                        Here is the mirror:

                                        $ zpool list -v
                                        NAME         SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  CKPOINT  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP    HEALTH  ALTROOT
                                        pfSense      238G  1.34G   237G        -         -     0%     0%  1.00x    ONLINE  -
                                          mirror-0   238G  1.34G   237G        -         -     0%  0.56%      -    ONLINE
                                            nda0s2   238G      -      -        -         -      -      -      -    ONLINE
                                            nda1s2   238G      -      -        -         -      -      -      -    ONLINE
                                        

                                        Here is the detais:

                                        $ geom disk list
                                        Geom name: nda0
                                        Providers:
                                        1. Name: nda0
                                           Mediasize: 256060514304 (238G)
                                           Sectorsize: 512
                                           Mode: r1w1e2
                                           descr: WDC PC SN520 SDAPMUW-256G-1001
                                           lunid: e8238fa6bf530001001b444a44c4182e
                                           ident: 194926444415
                                           rotationrate: 0
                                           fwsectors: 0
                                           fwheads: 0
                                        
                                        Geom name: nda1
                                        Providers:
                                        1. Name: nda1
                                           Mediasize: 256060514304 (238G)
                                           Sectorsize: 512
                                           Mode: r1w1e2
                                           descr: WDC PC SN520 SDAPMUW-256G-1001
                                           lunid: e8238fa6bf530001001b444a44c452d1
                                           ident: 194926472104
                                           rotationrate: 0
                                           fwsectors: 0
                                           fwheads: 0
                                        

                                        -S

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Nice! Yes I think we have seen reports of those WD 520 series working but not available new any longer AFAIK.

                                          Did you move the support screw or use adapters for those?

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                                            MacUsers @stephenw10
                                            last edited by MacUsers

                                            @stephenw10 said in Netgate 8200 connection questions:

                                            Nice! Yes I think we have seen reports of those WD 520 series working but not available new any longer AFAIK.

                                            yeah, that's the only issue; I wish I could buy new ๐Ÿ˜‘
                                            I think, I'll buy another pair, to keep as the spare.

                                            Did you move the support screw or use adapters for those?

                                            Just moved the support screws.
                                            d6e918e8-a1b7-40cb-9eda-c79290216ddc-image.png

                                            Was pleased to see that mainboard has the native support of diffrent-length M.2 and Netgate was kind enough to supply the extra screws. ๐Ÿ˜‡

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