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    • J
      jakehathaway
      last edited by

      We are looking into the multicasting. Sorry for duplicate post, but I searched for an hour looking for something similar and didn't find it.
      If you know of one of them please link to it here, thanks.

      Jake

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        Juve
        last edited by

        log on with SSH or directly from console (choose 8 ).
        On the box not failling back, do a tcpdump like this:
        tcpdump -i <ifname>-ttt -n proto CARP
        where <ifname>is the name of the physical interface.

        Do the same on the second box.

        When all is working fine, you should see a trace showing multicast traffic directed to 224.0.0.18 (vrrp v2 multicast address), sourced from the IP address of the physical interface of the master node. On the slave node, you should see these packets too. When powering off  the master node the packets should then be sourced from the slave node with a higher advskew.

        The four main problems you should encounter:

        1. Misconfiguration: password, VHID or advskew problems, check it again.

        2. Another device using VRRPv2 is using a VHID you are using, check you network devices or change VHID

        3. You don't see master's packets on the slave node when doing the tcpdump (so the slave node has one or more interface in master mode). You have a communication error between the two machines. Check the switchs, the cables. Or look at problem 4 ;-)

        4. You have a NAT rule, natting everything from a source network to a single IP address which IS NOT the interface address and which is in ANOTHER subnet. Should happen on WAN iface most of the time.</ifname></ifname>

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          sullrich
          last edited by

          Stickying thread.

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            jakehathaway
            last edited by

            tcpdump -i xl0 -ttt -n proto CARP
            Here is the output of my tcpdump:
            709630 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            293069 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 002309 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            487570 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            514636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 001317 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            267018 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            734179 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 001057 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            047719 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            953636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            829337 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            171683 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 001111 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            610157 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            391038 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 234670 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            157247 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
            1. 039601 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36

            the 151 is the master machine, the 251 is the machine on the other side of the QMOE link that is the other firewall PFsense box. you can see the vrid is different, so that shouldn't affect it.

            1. Misconfiguration: password, VHID or advskew problems, check it again.

            Checked this, it is correct.

            1. Another device using VRRPv2 is using a VHID you are using, check you network devices or change VHID

            Obviously it is connected to the pfsense on the other side of the qmoe, but not sure if vrid is same as vhid, but I manually checked in the gui for the config of both sides of qmoe and the vhid is different.

            1. You don't see master's packets on the slave node when doing the tcpdump (so the slave node has one or more interface in master mode). You have a communication error between the two machines. Check the switchs, the cables. Or look at problem 4 ;-)

            I see the master packets, see about tcpdump.

            1. You have a NAT rule, natting everything from a source network to a single IP address which IS NOT the interface address and which is in ANOTHER subnet. Should happen on WAN iface most of the time.

            Still checking this. But not sure what that would affect. Will post follow-up in a bit.

            thx for the help with this.

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              jakehathaway
              last edited by

              As far as NAT routing to single IP, we do not have that on the network that is having trouble.

              As you can see in the image the last rule is for the qmoe and it goes to * (all).

              NAT.png
              NAT.png_thumb

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                Juve
                last edited by

                Can you give us a network diagram ? You have 4 machines as I can understand, 2 on A d/c and 2 on B d/c

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                  jakehathaway
                  last edited by

                  Here is a simple drawing. The pf2 box, interface 4 (QMOE) is the only one that doesn't failback.

                  net.jpg
                  net.jpg_thumb

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                    sullrich
                    last edited by

                    Are all of the nics the same type?

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                      jakehathaway
                      last edited by

                      NIC types…
                      pf1 and pf2:
                      int 1 - Intel Pro 100 - WAN
                      int 2 - Intel Pro 100 - LAN
                      int 3 - Intel Pro 100 - pfsync
                      int 4 - 3com 3C905-TX - QMOE

                      pf251 and pf252:
                      int 1 - Intel e1000 - LAN
                      int 2 - Intel e1000 - WAN
                      int 3 - Broadcom Gbit - QMOE
                      int 4 - Broadcom Gbit - pfsync

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                        Juve
                        last edited by

                        Have you checked that either Foundry or HP equipment aren't filtering any type of trafic (like multicast)?

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                          jakehathaway
                          last edited by

                          yep, multicast is working just fine. The foundry side is working fine… pf251,pf252. It is the HP side that is having the failback problem. But we checked the multicast and it is fine. I can also see it in the tcpdump on pf2.

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                            jakehathaway
                            last edited by

                            Is there any other information you can give me? Anything else you might try? Please let me know.

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                              sullrich
                              last edited by

                              Check network equipment on HP side.  Something is being blocked (multicast).

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                                jakehathaway
                                last edited by

                                We are now on duplicate equipment as the other side. Foundry Super X. This did not solve the issue.

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                                  sullrich
                                  last edited by

                                  The equipment is not forwarding or blocking the CARP specific traffic.  Use tcpdump to monitor each machine to see if it is receiving the broadcast traffic.  I bet the switch is the culprit.

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                                    jakehathaway
                                    last edited by

                                    As you can see I did this already and the machines are seeing the carp traffic without any issue.

                                    @jakehathaway:

                                    tcpdump -i xl0 -ttt -n proto CARP
                                    Here is the output of my tcpdump:
                                    709630 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    293069 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 002309 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    487570 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    514636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 001317 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    267018 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    734179 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 001057 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    047719 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    953636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    829337 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    171683 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 001111 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    610157 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    391038 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 234670 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    157247 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                                    1. 039601 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36

                                    the 151 is the master machine, the 251 is the machine on the other side of the QMOE link that is the other firewall PFsense box. you can see the vrid is different, so that shouldn't affect it.

                                    1. Misconfiguration: password, VHID or advskew problems, check it again.

                                    Checked this, it is correct.

                                    1. Another device using VRRPv2 is using a VHID you are using, check you network devices or change VHID

                                    Obviously it is connected to the pfsense on the other side of the qmoe, but not sure if vrid is same as vhid, but I manually checked in the gui for the config of both sides of qmoe and the vhid is different.

                                    1. You don't see master's packets on the slave node when doing the tcpdump (so the slave node has one or more interface in master mode). You have a communication error between the two machines. Check the switchs, the cables. Or look at problem 4 ;-)

                                    I see the master packets, see about tcpdump.

                                    1. You have a NAT rule, natting everything from a source network to a single IP address which IS NOT the interface address and which is in ANOTHER subnet. Should happen on WAN iface most of the time.

                                    Still checking this. But not sure what that would affect. Will post follow-up in a bit.

                                    thx for the help with this.

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                                      sullrich
                                      last edited by

                                      Well then about the only thing I can think of is the NICS in the machine.

                                      BTW: I have major problems with Broadcom nics + CARP at work.  It is a driver issue of some sorts.

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                                        jakehathaway
                                        last edited by

                                        So I have completely by-passed routing on the pf box since it isn't working. It works until it gets into the following state.  (see attached pics).

                                        pf1.jpg
                                        pf1.jpg_thumb
                                        pf2.jpg
                                        pf2.jpg_thumb

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                                          smilodon
                                          last edited by

                                          Iv seen this one before… sorry to say that im a noob and just figuring it out my own probs at:
                                          http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,10458.0.html

                                          At my configuration... it happened when the CARP suddenly "worked" after i sorted out some bugs... then again it didnt work. It was when the SYNC interfaces were on 10Mb/s old NICs. And the LAN VIP became master on Backup, WAN and WAN2 were left Master at the Master box. And then when i went to 100/10 NIC's the backup took all the VIP's as master... so it might be something different than your prob.

                                          One question... how would i bypass the "broadcast" thing if it really is the switch or NIC's bad appetite for not eating broadcast packets. ?

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