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      jakehathaway
      last edited by

      tcpdump -i xl0 -ttt -n proto CARP
      Here is the output of my tcpdump:
      709630 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      293069 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 002309 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      487570 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      514636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 001317 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      267018 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      734179 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 001057 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      047719 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      953636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      829337 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      171683 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 001111 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      610157 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      391038 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 234670 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      157247 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
      1. 039601 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36

      the 151 is the master machine, the 251 is the machine on the other side of the QMOE link that is the other firewall PFsense box. you can see the vrid is different, so that shouldn't affect it.

      1. Misconfiguration: password, VHID or advskew problems, check it again.

      Checked this, it is correct.

      1. Another device using VRRPv2 is using a VHID you are using, check you network devices or change VHID

      Obviously it is connected to the pfsense on the other side of the qmoe, but not sure if vrid is same as vhid, but I manually checked in the gui for the config of both sides of qmoe and the vhid is different.

      1. You don't see master's packets on the slave node when doing the tcpdump (so the slave node has one or more interface in master mode). You have a communication error between the two machines. Check the switchs, the cables. Or look at problem 4 ;-)

      I see the master packets, see about tcpdump.

      1. You have a NAT rule, natting everything from a source network to a single IP address which IS NOT the interface address and which is in ANOTHER subnet. Should happen on WAN iface most of the time.

      Still checking this. But not sure what that would affect. Will post follow-up in a bit.

      thx for the help with this.

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        jakehathaway
        last edited by

        As far as NAT routing to single IP, we do not have that on the network that is having trouble.

        As you can see in the image the last rule is for the qmoe and it goes to * (all).

        NAT.png
        NAT.png_thumb

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          Juve
          last edited by

          Can you give us a network diagram ? You have 4 machines as I can understand, 2 on A d/c and 2 on B d/c

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            jakehathaway
            last edited by

            Here is a simple drawing. The pf2 box, interface 4 (QMOE) is the only one that doesn't failback.

            net.jpg
            net.jpg_thumb

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              sullrich
              last edited by

              Are all of the nics the same type?

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                jakehathaway
                last edited by

                NIC types…
                pf1 and pf2:
                int 1 - Intel Pro 100 - WAN
                int 2 - Intel Pro 100 - LAN
                int 3 - Intel Pro 100 - pfsync
                int 4 - 3com 3C905-TX - QMOE

                pf251 and pf252:
                int 1 - Intel e1000 - LAN
                int 2 - Intel e1000 - WAN
                int 3 - Broadcom Gbit - QMOE
                int 4 - Broadcom Gbit - pfsync

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                  Juve
                  last edited by

                  Have you checked that either Foundry or HP equipment aren't filtering any type of trafic (like multicast)?

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                    jakehathaway
                    last edited by

                    yep, multicast is working just fine. The foundry side is working fine… pf251,pf252. It is the HP side that is having the failback problem. But we checked the multicast and it is fine. I can also see it in the tcpdump on pf2.

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                      jakehathaway
                      last edited by

                      Is there any other information you can give me? Anything else you might try? Please let me know.

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                        sullrich
                        last edited by

                        Check network equipment on HP side.  Something is being blocked (multicast).

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                          jakehathaway
                          last edited by

                          We are now on duplicate equipment as the other side. Foundry Super X. This did not solve the issue.

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                            sullrich
                            last edited by

                            The equipment is not forwarding or blocking the CARP specific traffic.  Use tcpdump to monitor each machine to see if it is receiving the broadcast traffic.  I bet the switch is the culprit.

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                              jakehathaway
                              last edited by

                              As you can see I did this already and the machines are seeing the carp traffic without any issue.

                              @jakehathaway:

                              tcpdump -i xl0 -ttt -n proto CARP
                              Here is the output of my tcpdump:
                              709630 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              293069 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 002309 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              487570 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              514636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 001317 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              267018 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              734179 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 001057 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              047719 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              953636 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              829337 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              171683 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 001111 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              610157 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              391038 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 234670 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              157247 IP 172.16.20.152 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 6, prio 200, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36
                              1. 039601 IP 172.16.20.251 > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 5, prio 0, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36

                              the 151 is the master machine, the 251 is the machine on the other side of the QMOE link that is the other firewall PFsense box. you can see the vrid is different, so that shouldn't affect it.

                              1. Misconfiguration: password, VHID or advskew problems, check it again.

                              Checked this, it is correct.

                              1. Another device using VRRPv2 is using a VHID you are using, check you network devices or change VHID

                              Obviously it is connected to the pfsense on the other side of the qmoe, but not sure if vrid is same as vhid, but I manually checked in the gui for the config of both sides of qmoe and the vhid is different.

                              1. You don't see master's packets on the slave node when doing the tcpdump (so the slave node has one or more interface in master mode). You have a communication error between the two machines. Check the switchs, the cables. Or look at problem 4 ;-)

                              I see the master packets, see about tcpdump.

                              1. You have a NAT rule, natting everything from a source network to a single IP address which IS NOT the interface address and which is in ANOTHER subnet. Should happen on WAN iface most of the time.

                              Still checking this. But not sure what that would affect. Will post follow-up in a bit.

                              thx for the help with this.

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                                sullrich
                                last edited by

                                Well then about the only thing I can think of is the NICS in the machine.

                                BTW: I have major problems with Broadcom nics + CARP at work.  It is a driver issue of some sorts.

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                                  jakehathaway
                                  last edited by

                                  So I have completely by-passed routing on the pf box since it isn't working. It works until it gets into the following state.  (see attached pics).

                                  pf1.jpg
                                  pf1.jpg_thumb
                                  pf2.jpg
                                  pf2.jpg_thumb

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                                    smilodon
                                    last edited by

                                    Iv seen this one before… sorry to say that im a noob and just figuring it out my own probs at:
                                    http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,10458.0.html

                                    At my configuration... it happened when the CARP suddenly "worked" after i sorted out some bugs... then again it didnt work. It was when the SYNC interfaces were on 10Mb/s old NICs. And the LAN VIP became master on Backup, WAN and WAN2 were left Master at the Master box. And then when i went to 100/10 NIC's the backup took all the VIP's as master... so it might be something different than your prob.

                                    One question... how would i bypass the "broadcast" thing if it really is the switch or NIC's bad appetite for not eating broadcast packets. ?

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