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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      Ah! That would explain it. Good catch.
      The original poster talks about a dual port card, I think that threw me.

      Steve

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        taryezveb
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        @jms703:

        I'm curious what you are going to spend for those boards. I looked at almost every mini-itx Atom/Zacate cpu/motherboard combo and I always found them to be just a few dollars cheaper than a mini-itx desktop solution. The upside is that you have a whole lot more CPU and the new Sandy Bridge CPUs are almost as power efficient as the Atom/Zacate solutions. I couldn't find a reason to buy an Atom or Zacate anymore.

        For instance, I just built a system with these components:

        Intel G620 (Low end dual core sandy bridge)
        Intel S1200KP (C202 server chipset, dual Intel NICs)
        4GB DDR3

        and it performs well and runs at 36 watts when idle.

        Hope that helps.

        @rekd0514:

        I agree get a Sandy Bridge Pentium or Celeron, just not the 440 since it doesn't have speedstep.

        +3, I just built the following[1]. Works great and does much more than atom would.

        [1] http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,44269.0.html

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          phils
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          @taryezveb:

          +3, I just built the following[1]. Works great and does much more than atom would.

          [1] http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,44269.0.html

          Yeah though the Atom solutions can be completely solid state.

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            taryezveb
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            @phils:

            Yeah though the Atom solutions can be completely solid state.

            Not sure what exactly you mean by solid state. I see no reason why a non atom solution could not be solid state as well.

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              phils
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              @taryezveb:

              Not sure what exactly you mean by solid state. I see no reason why a non atom solution could not be solid state as well.

              Mainly that it's fanless and noiseless, without requiring elaborate cooling/heatsinks.

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                taryezveb
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                @phils:

                Mainly that it's fanless and noiseless, without requiring elaborate cooling/heatsinks.

                Ok, the same thing I was thinking. A non atom solution can also be solid state, but does take a little more effort. Since pretty much any atom solution usually only comes with a heatsink. Regardless there are trade offs to either setup. I prefer to error on the side of having more than I need and can also be used for something else if need be.

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                  mrbostn
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                  Thought I'd add this.

                  I'm running a Jetway Atom mobo 2GB RAM with the 3 Intel add on NICS. It's in an office setting with one T1, and one VPN connection to a remote office. There are 18 users. Users have been saying to me that the internet is slow. To test I fired up an old p4, added two Intel  NICS-users immediately said the "internet" was faster. I didn't do any formal testing, but the "internet" did seem faster. VPN was definately faster.

                  I'm now spec'ing out a system to replace the Jetway Atom. Most probably a Sandy Bridge.

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                    phils
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                    I'm running a Jetway Atom mobo 2GB RAM with the 3 Intel add on NICS. It's in an office setting with one T1, and one VPN connection to a remote office. There are 18 users. Users have been saying to me that the internet is slow. To test I fired up an old p4, added two Intel  NICS-users immediately said the "internet" was faster. I didn't do any formal testing, but the "internet" did seem faster. VPN was definately faster.

                    I don't think anyone is suggesting to use an Atom without first looking at the requirements and determining throughput / VPN usage etc.

                    Did you examine what CPU usage was going on on your Atom box when the internet was described as slow?

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                      mrbostn
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                      @phils:

                      I'm running a Jetway Atom mobo 2GB RAM with the 3 Intel add on NICS. It's in an office setting with one T1, and one VPN connection to a remote office. There are 18 users. Users have been saying to me that the internet is slow. To test I fired up an old p4, added two Intel  NICS-users immediately said the "internet" was faster. I didn't do any formal testing, but the "internet" did seem faster. VPN was definately faster.

                      I don't think anyone is suggesting to use an Atom without first looking at the requirements and determining throughput / VPN usage etc.

                      Did you examine what CPU usage was going on on your Atom box when the internet was described as slow?

                      I'm back on the Atom as we speak. The P4 was just to test. It's an old box and didn't want to risk failure over the weekend.
                      I'm not down on the Atoms. Our other office has a Jetway VIA and it handles the other end of that VPN and a fios line nicely. No lag, nothing. Maybe I have a flakey nic on the Atom not sure. I suppose the I could have reinstalled PF on the Atom but for about $300 I'll be happy with something beefier.

                      Current system overview.

                      CPU 7%
                      Memory 4%

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                        dreamslacker
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                        @mrbostn:

                        I'm back on the Atom as we speak. The P4 was just to test. It's an old box and didn't want to risk failure over the weekend.
                        I'm not down on the Atoms. Our other office has a Jetway VIA and it handles the other end of that VPN and a fios line nicely. No lag, nothing. Maybe I have a flakey nic on the Atom not sure. I suppose the I could have reinstalled PF on the Atom but for about $300 I'll be happy with something beefier.

                        Current system overview.

                        CPU 7%
                        Memory 4%

                        VIA processors have Padlock which offloads VPN encryption.  Probably the reason why it's performing so well despite the processor being on-par or weaker than the Atom in terms of raw processing power.
                        Furthermore, the daugtherboard rides on PCI bus which is shared amongst the 3 NICs.  If you're doing any inter-LAN or inter-VLAN routing, then the PCI bus becomes a limitation.  Also, do check the PCI latency timer settings in the BIOS.  Try reducing it to 32 clocks from 128 (typical defaults) to prevent a single NIC from hogging the bus.

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                          mrbostn
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                          Thanks for the tip. I'll try it. Thought I'm still replacing the Atom with a Sandy Bridge.

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                            jms703
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                            @Nonsense:

                            How were you able to overcome the network port driver issue in that motherboard?  I know there is a driver workaround out there, but I don't think it has ever been incorporated into the main software download. ???

                            There is no "network port driver issue". The NICs work fine.

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