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    Sky Fibre to the Cabinet Rollout - PfSense support?

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Problems Installing or Upgrading pfSense Software
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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      Because that leaves you at the mercy of who ever wrote the firmware in the Sagem router as well as being dependent on the throughput of it's hardware.  ;)

      Steve

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        dLockers
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        @francisuk22:

        Why do you just put the WAN port into the Sky router and on the Sky port just DMZ the pfsense IP on that Sky router  :P ::)

        Because that's an awful idea.

        Stage 3 of my project (Maxterm 8300B > Intel Atom 330D) is to implement Pfsense on an ESXi box.

        I wonder if I can do PPPoE through a switch.

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          francisuk22
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          @dLockers:

          @francisuk22:

          Why do you just put the WAN port into the Sky router and on the Sky port just DMZ the pfsense IP on that Sky router  :P ::)

          Because that's an awful idea.

          :D True, Lets hope Virgin Media never do this aswell  :o but recently we have been upgraded to superhub made by NETGEAR all in one wireless and modem combo, But theres a downside from BT side. If your still fair from the bt exchange you wont get say 38 Mbps Down because some of the wires are not fiber from your house to there cabinet is all copper with Virgin Media is all fiber from your house to there cabinet and from there cabinet to where ever is all fiber and you will get your full speeds.

          Ok now heres the downside to Virgin Media,

          30 Mbps reach 7GB in the daytime they cap you 15 Mbps speed until 5 hours
          60 Mbps reach 1TB in the daytime they cap you 30 Mbps speed until 5 hours - The one of the reason why im on this package too many Sky anytime+ downloads from the misses and PS3, Wii, Xbox 360)
          120Mbps reach 2TB in the daytime they cap you 60 Mbps speed until 5 hours

          2.0.2-RELEASE (amd64) - Dell OptiPlex GX520 SFF @ Intel P4 HT 3.0GHz
          Cisco SR224 24-port Switch (4 PCs, 1 Wireless AP, 2 Consoles)

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Capped to 60Mbps doesn't sound too bad.  ;)

            The FTTC dsl operated by bt wholesale and used by everyone except virgin uses VDSL2 between your house and the cabinet. VDSL2 is good for up to 250Mbps at 100M.

            @http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_speed_digital_subscriber_line_2:

            VDSL2 deteriorates quickly from a theoretical maximum of 250 Mbit/s at source to 100 Mbit/s at 0.5 km (1,600 ft) and 50 Mbit/s at 1 km (3,300 ft), but degrades at a much slower rate from there, and still outperforms VDSL. Starting from 1.6 km (1 mi) its performance is equal to ADSL2+.[3]

            So as long as you're within 1km of the cabinet you should see 38Mbps.

            Not a problem for me, I'm less than 100M from the exchange!  :P

            Steve

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              francisuk22
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              if you watch 1080p HD video and downloading Demo on steam and on the PS3 and even on YouTube you can reach up to 2TB easily, I just did some testing watching the following video on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk

              240p - 580k/s peak rate, 525k sustained
              360p - 1.2Mb/s peak, and around 750k/s sustained
              480p - 7Mb/s peak rate, and around 850k/s sustained
              720p - 11Mb/s peak rate, and around 2-2.5Mb/s sustained
              1080p - 15Mb/s peak rate, 13Mb/s sustained

              @stephenw10:

              Capped to 60Mbps doesn't sound too bad.  ;)

              Yeah is not too bad but i tend to download during the night. But give it a few months and Openreach (BT, TalkTalk, Sky fiber etc) will start capping too because there will be people abusing the system with illegal P2P / Torrents but thats gonna come to a stop soon

              On one hand i do torrent linux iso distros because i find them faster then the HTTP and FTP but i seed about 1mbits during the night

              @stephenw10:

              So as long as you're within 1km of the cabinet you should see 38Mbps.

              Lucky for some haha! :P

              2.0.2-RELEASE (amd64) - Dell OptiPlex GX520 SFF @ Intel P4 HT 3.0GHz
              Cisco SR224 24-port Switch (4 PCs, 1 Wireless AP, 2 Consoles)

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                dLockers
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                @francisuk22:

                if you watch 1080p HD video and downloading Demo on steam and on the PS3 and even on YouTube you can reach up to 2TB easily, I just did some testing watching the following video on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk

                240p - 580k/s peak rate, 525k sustained
                360p - 1.2Mb/s peak, and around 750k/s sustained
                480p - 7Mb/s peak rate, and around 850k/s sustained
                720p - 11Mb/s peak rate, and around 2-2.5Mb/s sustained
                1080p - 15Mb/s peak rate, 13Mb/s sustained

                @stephenw10:

                Capped to 60Mbps doesn't sound too bad.  ;)

                Yeah is not too bad but i tend to download during the night. But give it a few months and Openreach (BT, TalkTalk, Sky fiber etc) will start capping too because there will be people abusing the system with illegal P2P / Torrents but thats gonna come to a stop soon

                On one hand i do torrent linux iso distros because i find them faster then the HTTP and FTP but i seed about 1mbits during the night

                @stephenw10:

                So as long as you're within 1km of the cabinet you should see 38Mbps.

                Lucky for some haha! :P

                Sky ADSL Unlimited never had a cap or throttle.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  Clearly I'm not trying hard enough:

                  
                  Billing Period 	 	Allowance Used 	Overnight Usage Total usage
                  01 Apr - 01 May 	10.27GB 	4.3GB 	 	14.57GB
                  01 Mar - 01 Apr 	11.01GB 	5.18GB 	 	16.18GB
                  01 Feb - 01 Mar 	8.28GB 	 	4.05GB  	12.33GB
                  
                  

                  I'll have to step up my downloading!  ::)

                  Steve

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                    MrT0ad
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                    Thanks for this info :)

                    Didn't have any issues before because I was on DSL and I could use PPoE.

                    Then I upgraded to FTTC and… well... there was a noticeable improvement on speed (more than double) but my SonicWALL TZ200 didn't want to play ball.

                    Selected DHCP, put Skyusername|Skypassword on the Host Name field... nothing. Tried with hex converted Skyusername|Skypassword not enough characters in the field. Disappointing.

                    Contacted SonicWALL about it, they said "we don't support DHCP option 61"... which left me perplexed, what is the Host Name field then?

                    Then I stumbled upon this thread... Luckily I had just bought hardware for a small HTPC, which swiftly became a pfsense box :D

                    I was up and running in less than 10 minutes.

                    Now I need to figure out how to integrate the SonicWALL (after all pfsense looks very able but is not a UTM appliance, at least not out of the box) but I'm no longer bound to the Sky router hardware :)

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                    • _Adrian__
                      _Adrian_
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                      I cant wait till the bring FTTH here too :)

                      right now im on a lower speed cable…
                      but cant complain about service.
                      Im paying for 50/3 and

                      That's what I'm getting
                      Also our FTTH service will start at 250/30 and span to 1000/200 :D

                      Can't wait for November.
                      They are coming out sometime next week to replace my backdrop as its damaged and they are dropping in a new "structured" cable that contains the fiber and the coax :)

                      If it ain't broken, fix it till it is :P

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                      • _Adrian__
                        _Adrian_
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                        Well, my daughter is torrenting now :/
                        Got sick of the bottle neck this morning so upgraded a bit…
                        100/5

                        If it ain't broken, fix it till it is :P

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                        • _Adrian__
                          _Adrian_
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                          Figured I update this…
                          They are replacing the underground backdrop to my place and the structured cable is going in the next few days.
                          Thank you SHAW :)

                          However...
                          Not sure how your guys setup is but this is what they are going to use on our end...
                          http://www.arrisi.com/products/product.asp?id=31

                          BTW…
                          Its a dual fiber feed but only one fiber is being lit in a 1310/1550 SM
                          Cant wait for the launch of Gigabit in this neighbourhood :D

                          If it ain't broken, fix it till it is :P

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                            sandman06
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                            sorry to bring back this thread to life.

                            I have recently had fiber installed and i though it was going to be straight forward as shown here before.

                            Sky sent me new router and the username and password were built in. I used wireshark to retrieve those by sniffing for client option (61)

                            put those details in host name section in wan interface. and its not picking up and ip.

                            I don't know what i am doing wrong. It was working before same setup using adsl with different username and password but now its stopped.

                            screen shot below of my setup

                            right its not good news.

                            I came home and no ip has been issued.

                            here is my setup

                            ive put the new username|password i have extracted in my settings to replace the old one.

                            the second picture is the screenshot of my configuration for my hacked huwae hg612 modem. setup for bridged as it was before for MER AUTH

                            third picture is the systems logs and errors im receiving.

                            your help would be much appreciated particularly the pfsense devs

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              I suspect you have the modem configured incorrectly.
                              Have you used it before on another connection?

                              I'll have to re-read this whole thread, I seem to have forgotten most of it!  ::)
                              There is probably new information at the original linked website also.

                              Steve

                              Edit: Ok, read it! Were you using the HG612 on your previous adsl2+ connection? Have you reconfigured it to use vdsl? Have you hacked the HG612 Sky/Openreach provided you with or is it a different one? What router have Sky supplied you?

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                                sandman06
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                                thank you for your fast response. I managed to get it working with the ECI modem provided from BTO.

                                however my hacked huwaei hg612 is not working. ive posted this question on skyuser forum. I will cut and paste here for a clearer understanding.

                                good news my suspicions were correct.

                                So I had been using my hacked Huwaei HG612 previously with my sky unlimited and it was working absolutely fine and the settings I had were correct as posted above.

                                eventually after exploring all avenues. I thought to myself why dont i try plug in the ECI modem that the engineer originally installed and see if that makes a difference.(ie chipset/cabinet compatibility)

                                So that's what I did. Plugged the ECI modem in and voila my firewall/router automatically picked up the dhcp address with the new username|password I extracted from the new hub, I have also tested it with the old username and password from my sagem router and it also picked up a dhcp lease and ip.

                                so I guess the issues are the following:

                                huwaei modem chipset is not compatible with the cabinet
                                the modem configuration settings that I have been using up until now with unlimited, don't work for fiber.

                                The first point seems the most likely but it just doesn't make sense. That would mean BTO had a monopoly on hardware to be used for fiber.
                                Again I cant confirm this point because I don't have access to the cabinet hahaha.

                                I'm hoping its the second point and someone can shed some on what the corrects settings are to be used with fibre.

                                obviously im not going to chance it and hack the eci for the sake of line stats, however it would of been nice to use my Huwaei HG612.

                                I just need someone to confirm the above before I put it on fleabay

                                @stephenw10:

                                I suspect you have the modem configured incorrectly.
                                Have you used it before on another connection?

                                I'll have to re-read this whole thread, I seem to have forgotten most of it!  ::)
                                There is probably new information at the original linked website also.

                                Steve

                                Edit: Ok, read it! Were you using the HG612 on your previous adsl2+ connection? Have you reconfigured it to use vdsl? Have you hacked the HG612 Sky/Openreach provided you with or is it a different one? What router have Sky supplied you?

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                                  sandman06
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                                  @stephenw10:

                                  Edit: Ok, read it! Were you using the HG612 on your previous adsl2+ connection? Have you reconfigured it to use vdsl? Have you hacked the HG612 Sky/Openreach provided you with or is it a different one? What router have Sky supplied you?

                                  Ok, read it! Were you using the HG612 on your previous adsl2+ connection?
                                  Yes my hacked one.

                                  Have you reconfigured it to use vdsl?
                                  Yes just changed the modulation to vdsl2 and left everything the same ie vpi/vci. dont know if this is the problem and it needs altering

                                  Have you hacked the HG612 Sky/Openreach provided you with or is it a different one?
                                  yes i bought a hg612 off ebay and hacked it because i want to have line stats etc/ but i also have the eci one provided by BTO and that works fine as mentioned in above post

                                  What router have Sky supplied you?
                                  Sky have supplied me with the new sky hub SR101, but i have managed to sucessfull extract the username|password using wireshark and it works fine with pfsense+eci modem bto provided however not with the hacked hg612 modem.

                                  So i think my huwaei settings maybe incorrect ?

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    @sandman06:

                                    So i think my huwaei settings maybe incorrect ?

                                    I agree. It should be standard config across all providers, Sky, BT etc so I would imagine it's well documented on the HG612 hack site.

                                    Steve

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                                      sandman06
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                                      @stephenw10:

                                      @sandman06:

                                      So i think my huwaei settings maybe incorrect ?

                                      I agree. It should be standard config across all providers, Sky, BT etc so I would imagine it's well documented on the HG612 hack site.

                                      Steve

                                      thanks. I thought it might have been. I will have a look on the huwaei hack site and see what i can find. but for the mean time its working perfect with the eci modem.

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                                        sandman06
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                                        tried looking but no luck. i am assuming your not using a hacked modem ?

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          No, my BT supplied HG612 is still locked down.

                                          Steve

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                                            sandman06
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                                            @stephenw10:

                                            No, my BT supplied HG612 is still locked down.

                                            Steve

                                            i think i need to search them web abit more then. is there anyway to access the settings via telnet/ssh ?

                                            does sky use atm or ptm for its connection ?

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