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    Problem with two lan networks and access to ap

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    • K
      kejianshi
      last edited by

      I'm withholding judgement on the usefullness of this device as an AP until stephenw10 suggestion is tried.

      Even if the router/AP doesn't end up being as slick as some other APs, I do see some usefullnes in it.
      It is currently isolated from the LAN, so for sharing internet to visitors, it might be cool and secure (-:

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        firefox
        last edited by

        @stephenw10:

        @firefox:

        ping from pfsense 192.168.0.1 to AP 192.168.2.1 There is Ping

        ping from AP 192.168.2.1 to pfsense 192.168.0.1 no ping

        I assume this must be a typo and the ping was to the AP at 192.168.2.101?

        You need to try pinging from the AP to the pfSense OPT1 address, 192.168.2.1. That should work fine.

        @firefox:

        from pfsense to wireless client - no ping

        That's odd. The problems with the AP should not cause this. Presumably AP to wireless client is OK?

        Steve

        it is a typo my bad

        i try ping from 192.168.2.101 to 192.168.2.1 and there is a ping

        @stephenw10:

        Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually. Adding a route is the correct way to do this, fudging the subnet is a workaround.

        In Advanced Setting: Routing: add this:

        Destination: 192.168.0.1
        Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
        Gateway: 192.168.2.1
        Hop: 1

        Enable that and hit save. Your AP will now have a route back to the pfSense LAN subnet.

        Steve

        I tried to change and nothing worked
        I had to do hard Reset
        And configure it as before

        @doktornotor:

        @firefox:

        If I choose another option
        I will not have internet access

        The only correct option is Disable/None/whatever matching this… Not any random other option.

        @firefox:

        there is on pfsense

        That is NOT what we are talking about at all. We are talking about netmask/GW on the AP. And on that note, there should be no gateway set for LAN interfaces on pfSense!

        @stephenw10:

        Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually

        Apparently this piece of garbage HW would best be utilized in a dumpster.

        There is no option disable

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          kejianshi
          last edited by

          Getting a E1000 linksys is crazy cheap on ebay.

          When loaded with DD-WRT they will do every thing you want and more, just incase this doesn't pan out for you.

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            firefox
            last edited by

            @kejianshi:

            Getting a E1000 linksys is crazy cheap on ebay.

            When loaded with DD-WRT they will do every thing you want and more, just incase this doesn't pan out for you.

            My cousin did not need it
            So brought it to me

            If I had to buy
            Would you buy something much better

            On that note
            I'm dead tired
            I will continue with this tomorrow

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              kejianshi
              last edited by

              "If I had to buy
              Would you buy something much better"

              For your purposes, its hard to do much better - Easy to spend much more money though.
              If I wanted wireless N vs G, I'd go with the E2000 - Also dirt cheap used.

              A new solution will probably not bring you any more practical utility and will cost you.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by

                Hmm, this is interesting but confusing.

                It is possible that it's only possible to add static routes on the WAN interface, there is no option to select the interface. However if that were the case then adding that route should have had no effect at all. I assume by your statement "nothing worked" that you were then unable to connect to the webgui at all? Seems like your router may be misbehaving somehow.

                Anyway you have yet more options! Another way to allow the access point to have a route back to LAN is to NAT between them. Now usually you wouldn't want that but it could be done with manual NAT configuation.

                The other thing you could do, and this is what I've done, is just not worry about it!  ;) I have an access point that (mis)behaves in exactly this way. It has no route back to other interfaces, I cannot add a route to it, I cannot configure a gateway on it's LAN, I can enter a fudged subnet mask but that doesn't work. So I set it up and ignore it. I probably haven't needed to check its webgui for a year or so and when I do I just connect by wifi.

                Steve

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                  kejianshi
                  last edited by

                  Personally, I think he should have all his connections on the LAN ports on that AP and that he should put tape over his WAN port.

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                    firefox
                    last edited by

                    Good Morning

                    I did a Hard Reset to AP
                    And put everything to the initial state as if he were Router

                    Then again I followed the guide to make it to AP
                    And it works as AP
                    Just the access its management interface is only when connecting Directly to him
                    wired or wireless

                    I do not know what to say
                    I tried everything I know
                    And all you know

                    Just does not work
                    I will stay with it how it is now
                    There is internet access from wireless devices

                    But not sharing files between computers on the wired network
                    To computers on the wireless network
                    Or reversed

                    It would make me crazy in the near future
                    So many thanks to everyone for the help

                    If I find why this happens I promise to update

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Just because you can't access the AP webgui from the wired network that should not mean you can't access other wireless clients. That is some other issue. As long as you have the correct firewall rules in place in pfSense there should be access between the wired and wireless networks.

                      Steve

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                        firefox
                        last edited by

                        Unfortunately it also does not work
                        We have 5 laptops at home
                        One currently running and is with me
                        Has two shared folders

                        They are accessible only if the computer is connected to the wired network

                        Of course the same thing
                        But the reverse

                        No wireless devices access to the wired network shared directories

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          Ok, a number of things could be happening here:
                          pfSense is blocking the traffic. That's easy to check because it will appear in the firewall logs.
                          There's a routing problem. This doesn't appear anywhere so it's harder to spot but we've just spent a good deal of time checking out the routing on your network and it looks good.
                          Something is blocking the traffic locally. E.g. Windows firewall is blocking access because the traffic is coming from another subnet.

                          Remind me, you are not able to ping between wired and wireless clients either?

                          Steve

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                            firefox
                            last edited by

                            @stephenw10:

                            Remind me, you are not able to ping between wired and wireless clients either?

                            Steve

                            Yes

                            Specific computers that I am trying to access shared folders
                            Are running Linux Ubuntu

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Ah, er, yes you're not able to ping or yes you are able to ping?  ;)

                              If you plug a client into one of the other LAN ports on the wbr-3406 can you ping the wired clients (on 192.168.0.X) from there? That should exclude and wifi weirdness from the problem.

                              Steve

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                                firefox
                                last edited by

                                Yes there is ping

                                from wireless computer 192.168.2.8 to wired computer 192.168.0.2
                                and
                                from wired computer 192.168.0.2 to wireless computer 192.168.2.8

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  Ok so you can ping but not do file transfer? And this worked ok before?

                                  This is probably because the machines are not on the same subnet so they are not directly discoverable by Windows (or whatever). Have you tried accessing the shared folder directly by its IP?

                                  Steve

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                                    kejianshi
                                    last edited by

                                    If you don't know how to access a share by IP, its easy in windows…

                                    hit start > computer

                                    on left side, click network

                                    select your current computer in the list

                                    now in that bar at top of file browser, put in \192.168.1.30  (or whatever the IP of the computer with the share is)

                                    I'm slipping - I should have suggested this way way back but "shares" was never mentioned early on.

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                                      firefox
                                      last edited by

                                      Just now I tried to access a network folder
                                      Using ip number

                                      It work

                                      Why not see all computers when entering the network

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                                        kejianshi
                                        last edited by

                                        File sharing uses broadcasts that don't cross subnets to advertise themselves.

                                        So, when you have files and printers shared, the easy way to reach them across subnets is by IP since no broadcast is required that way.

                                        Understand?

                                        If I had known you had shares, I would have suggested it earlier.  Good thing stephenw10 did.

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          If you have a domain controller/WINS server that can register connected clients then you can span subnets I believe, not my area.

                                          If you have enabled "Register DHCP leases in DNS forwarder" then you can access remote machines by their host name but they still won't be discoverable.

                                          You may be able to get discovery to work across the subnets using the IGMP proxy, I've never tried that.

                                          Steve

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                                            firefox
                                            last edited by

                                            Can I assume that the problem
                                            Related to the same reason that you can not access the management interface of the AP

                                            I'm still trying to check why this is happening and fix it
                                            But not urgent
                                            As before

                                            If I run into something on the way so I check and try

                                            At least I have access to shared folders
                                            As you have shown me

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