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      doktornotor Banned
      last edited by

      Afraid your WAN should be set to Disabled, not Dynamic IP Address.

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        kejianshi
        last edited by

        Totally not a pfsense problem.  Did you get it working yet?

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          phil.davis
          last edited by

          I can't see where it lets you specify

          1. the LAN netmask (/24 or 255.255.255.0)
          2. a LAN gateway

          Probably (1) is on a screen somewhere - maybe I missed it.
          I suspect it won't have a place to enter (2), because it thinks it is already a router (gateway).

          As the Greek philosopher Isosceles used to say, "There are 3 sides to every triangle."
          If I helped you, then help someone else - buy someone a gift from the INF catalog http://secure.inf.org/gifts/usd/

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            firefox
            last edited by

            @kejianshi:

            Totally not a pfsense problem.  Did you get it working yet?

            not yet

            @doktornotor:

            Afraid your WAN should be set to Disabled, not Dynamic IP Address.

            Selecting other options
            And there is no communication

            @phil.davis:

            I can't see where it lets you specify

            1. the LAN netmask (/24 or 255.255.255.0)
            2. a LAN gateway

            Probably (1) is on a screen somewhere - maybe I missed it.
            I suspect it won't have a place to enter (2), because it thinks it is already a router (gateway).

            As soon as I turn off the dhcp
            And gave him a fixed network address
            the LAN netmask
            and LAN gateway
            are from the pfsense

            I will try to run pfsense live cd 2.0.3

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              doktornotor Banned
              last edited by

              @firefox:

              Selecting other options
              And there is no communication

              Huh, whut?

              @firefox:

              As soon as I turn off the dhcp
              And gave him a fixed network address
              the LAN netmask
              and LAN gateway
              are from the pfsense

              Eh? There is no netmask and gateway visible anywhere…

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                firefox
                last edited by

                @doktornotor:

                @firefox:

                Selecting other options
                And there is no communication

                Huh, whut?

                If I choose another option
                I will not have internet access

                @firefox:

                As soon as I turn off the dhcp
                And gave him a fixed network address
                the LAN netmask
                and LAN gateway
                are from the pfsense

                Eh? There is no netmask and gateway visible anywhere…

                there is on pfsense

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  @firefox:

                  ping from pfsense 192.168.0.1 to AP 192.168.2.1 There is Ping

                  ping from AP 192.168.2.1 to pfsense 192.168.0.1 no ping

                  I assume this must be a typo and the ping was to the AP at 192.168.2.101?

                  You need to try pinging from the AP to the pfSense OPT1 address, 192.168.2.1. That should work fine.

                  @firefox:

                  from pfsense to wireless client - no ping

                  That's odd. The problems with the AP should not cause this. Presumably AP to wireless client is OK?

                  Steve

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually. Adding a route is the correct way to do this, fudging the subnet is a workaround.

                    In Advanced Setting: Routing: add this:

                    Destination: 192.168.0.1
                    Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
                    Gateway: 192.168.2.1
                    Hop: 1

                    Enable that and hit save. Your AP will now have a route back to the pfSense LAN subnet.

                    Steve

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                      doktornotor Banned
                      last edited by

                      @firefox:

                      If I choose another option
                      I will not have internet access

                      The only correct option is Disable/None/whatever matching this… Not any random other option.

                      @firefox:

                      there is on pfsense

                      That is NOT what we are talking about at all. We are talking about netmask/GW on the AP. And on that note, there should be no gateway set for LAN interfaces on pfSense!

                      @stephenw10:

                      Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually

                      Apparently this piece of garbage HW would best be utilized in a dumpster.

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                        kejianshi
                        last edited by

                        I'm withholding judgement on the usefullness of this device as an AP until stephenw10 suggestion is tried.

                        Even if the router/AP doesn't end up being as slick as some other APs, I do see some usefullnes in it.
                        It is currently isolated from the LAN, so for sharing internet to visitors, it might be cool and secure (-:

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                          firefox
                          last edited by

                          @stephenw10:

                          @firefox:

                          ping from pfsense 192.168.0.1 to AP 192.168.2.1 There is Ping

                          ping from AP 192.168.2.1 to pfsense 192.168.0.1 no ping

                          I assume this must be a typo and the ping was to the AP at 192.168.2.101?

                          You need to try pinging from the AP to the pfSense OPT1 address, 192.168.2.1. That should work fine.

                          @firefox:

                          from pfsense to wireless client - no ping

                          That's odd. The problems with the AP should not cause this. Presumably AP to wireless client is OK?

                          Steve

                          it is a typo my bad

                          i try ping from 192.168.2.101 to 192.168.2.1 and there is a ping

                          @stephenw10:

                          Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually. Adding a route is the correct way to do this, fudging the subnet is a workaround.

                          In Advanced Setting: Routing: add this:

                          Destination: 192.168.0.1
                          Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
                          Gateway: 192.168.2.1
                          Hop: 1

                          Enable that and hit save. Your AP will now have a route back to the pfSense LAN subnet.

                          Steve

                          I tried to change and nothing worked
                          I had to do hard Reset
                          And configure it as before

                          @doktornotor:

                          @firefox:

                          If I choose another option
                          I will not have internet access

                          The only correct option is Disable/None/whatever matching this… Not any random other option.

                          @firefox:

                          there is on pfsense

                          That is NOT what we are talking about at all. We are talking about netmask/GW on the AP. And on that note, there should be no gateway set for LAN interfaces on pfSense!

                          @stephenw10:

                          Reading the manual for that router (wbr-3406tx) it appears there's no way to set a subnet mask or gateway for the LAN interface but it's not a problem because you can add a route manually

                          Apparently this piece of garbage HW would best be utilized in a dumpster.

                          There is no option disable

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                            kejianshi
                            last edited by

                            Getting a E1000 linksys is crazy cheap on ebay.

                            When loaded with DD-WRT they will do every thing you want and more, just incase this doesn't pan out for you.

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                              firefox
                              last edited by

                              @kejianshi:

                              Getting a E1000 linksys is crazy cheap on ebay.

                              When loaded with DD-WRT they will do every thing you want and more, just incase this doesn't pan out for you.

                              My cousin did not need it
                              So brought it to me

                              If I had to buy
                              Would you buy something much better

                              On that note
                              I'm dead tired
                              I will continue with this tomorrow

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                                kejianshi
                                last edited by

                                "If I had to buy
                                Would you buy something much better"

                                For your purposes, its hard to do much better - Easy to spend much more money though.
                                If I wanted wireless N vs G, I'd go with the E2000 - Also dirt cheap used.

                                A new solution will probably not bring you any more practical utility and will cost you.

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  Hmm, this is interesting but confusing.

                                  It is possible that it's only possible to add static routes on the WAN interface, there is no option to select the interface. However if that were the case then adding that route should have had no effect at all. I assume by your statement "nothing worked" that you were then unable to connect to the webgui at all? Seems like your router may be misbehaving somehow.

                                  Anyway you have yet more options! Another way to allow the access point to have a route back to LAN is to NAT between them. Now usually you wouldn't want that but it could be done with manual NAT configuation.

                                  The other thing you could do, and this is what I've done, is just not worry about it!  ;) I have an access point that (mis)behaves in exactly this way. It has no route back to other interfaces, I cannot add a route to it, I cannot configure a gateway on it's LAN, I can enter a fudged subnet mask but that doesn't work. So I set it up and ignore it. I probably haven't needed to check its webgui for a year or so and when I do I just connect by wifi.

                                  Steve

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                                    kejianshi
                                    last edited by

                                    Personally, I think he should have all his connections on the LAN ports on that AP and that he should put tape over his WAN port.

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                                      firefox
                                      last edited by

                                      Good Morning

                                      I did a Hard Reset to AP
                                      And put everything to the initial state as if he were Router

                                      Then again I followed the guide to make it to AP
                                      And it works as AP
                                      Just the access its management interface is only when connecting Directly to him
                                      wired or wireless

                                      I do not know what to say
                                      I tried everything I know
                                      And all you know

                                      Just does not work
                                      I will stay with it how it is now
                                      There is internet access from wireless devices

                                      But not sharing files between computers on the wired network
                                      To computers on the wireless network
                                      Or reversed

                                      It would make me crazy in the near future
                                      So many thanks to everyone for the help

                                      If I find why this happens I promise to update

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                        last edited by

                                        Just because you can't access the AP webgui from the wired network that should not mean you can't access other wireless clients. That is some other issue. As long as you have the correct firewall rules in place in pfSense there should be access between the wired and wireless networks.

                                        Steve

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                                          firefox
                                          last edited by

                                          Unfortunately it also does not work
                                          We have 5 laptops at home
                                          One currently running and is with me
                                          Has two shared folders

                                          They are accessible only if the computer is connected to the wired network

                                          Of course the same thing
                                          But the reverse

                                          No wireless devices access to the wired network shared directories

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by

                                            Ok, a number of things could be happening here:
                                            pfSense is blocking the traffic. That's easy to check because it will appear in the firewall logs.
                                            There's a routing problem. This doesn't appear anywhere so it's harder to spot but we've just spent a good deal of time checking out the routing on your network and it looks good.
                                            Something is blocking the traffic locally. E.g. Windows firewall is blocking access because the traffic is coming from another subnet.

                                            Remind me, you are not able to ping between wired and wireless clients either?

                                            Steve

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