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      firefox
      last edited by

      Perhaps I did not explain correctly

      I want the wireless clients Will be on a different network from The wired clients

      192.168.0.1 wired clients
      There is a wired network all over the house

      192.168.1.1 wireless clients
      There is no wired network all over the house
      There is no other connection to this network

      And this the problem

      Can I use the  wired network For both networks

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        But you already have two NICs to separate wired and wireless traffic, card3 and card4.  :-
        Are you saying that you need to position these extra APs such that they can only connect to the existing wired network?

        Steve

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          kejianshi
          last edited by

          To have the granularity of control you are looking for, stephen was right.  You need to invest in a cheap managed VLAN switch that allows you to use tagged and untagged ports.

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            MilesDeep
            last edited by

            What is your subnet?  Is it straight class C?  /24?  If so, you'll have to change the subnet scheme in order to separate wired from wireless.  If you can't change the subnet scheme, You'll have to use VLANs to separate the data.

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            • DerelictD
              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
              last edited by

              You're going to need another switch.  Either another unmanaged for your wireless APs or one that does VLANs so you can do both networks on one switch.

              A new unmanaged will be cheaper and not require you to learn anything new or reconfigure anything.

              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                hadi57
                last edited by

                i am using separate  lan card for each network, separating the wifi from the wired network, also separating the wifi into groups connecting each group into their own separated lan card. i think this is the simplest way and its working fine with me.

                hadi57

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                  firefox
                  last edited by

                  But you already have two NICs to separate wired and wireless traffic, card3 and card4.  :-
                  Are you saying that you need to position these extra APs such that they can only connect to the existing wired network?

                  no
                  i want them To connect to card 4
                  But I do not have this option
                  So I want to cancel card 4
                  and Split the network on card 3 into two

                  What is your subnet?  Is it straight class C?  /24?  If so, you'll have to change the subnet scheme in order to separate wired from wireless

                  it is 192.168.0.1/24 (see image)

                  how do i do that
                  That's what I'm trying to know
                  Is there an option in pfsense for two networks on one physical network
                  If I will choose there a smaller number
                  Will I have the option For another dhcp on the same network card
                  How to do it

                  You're going to need another switch.  Either another unmanaged for your wireless APs or one that does VLANs so you can do both networks on one switch.

                  A new unmanaged will be cheaper and not require you to learn anything new or reconfigure anything.

                  It would be easiest to buy a new switch
                  And put new cables in the wall
                  Up to location That the AP would be

                  I can not do that right now
                  It's a lot of work
                  And more money at the moment I do not have

                  So I want to do it on the existing network

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                    kejianshi
                    last edited by

                    You should be looking for a nice, cheap used vlan switch…  Or a miracle...

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                      firefox
                      last edited by

                      Bummer
                      I wanted to avoid drawing  cable for new points

                      In any case
                      Thanks everyone for trying to help

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                        kejianshi
                        last edited by

                        You won't need more cable if you get a VLAN switch - Thats sort of the point of the thing.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          @firefox:

                          But you already have two NICs to separate wired and wireless traffic, card3 and card4.  :-
                          Are you saying that you need to position these extra APs such that they can only connect to the existing wired network?

                          no
                          i want them To connect to card 4
                          But I do not have this option
                          So I want to cancel card 4
                          and Split the network on card 3 into two

                          This confuses me. You say you're not restricted by the location of the new access points. So why can't you connect them to card4 along side the existing access point?

                          Your later responses seem to indicate that you need to to connect them to the existing wired network because you only have single cabling to that location.
                          In which case you can use VLANs but you will need a VLAN capable switch. They are not that expensive. If you don't need gigabit bandwidth you could split one cat5 run into 2 100Mbps connections. You could use an ethernet over powerline solution (or over co-ax if you have that). You might be able to setup the new APs as repeaters instead and do it wirelessly.

                          Steve

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                            firefox
                            last edited by

                            This confuses me. You say you're not restricted by the location of the new access points. So why can't you connect them to card4 along side the existing access point?

                            Just the opposite

                            I will try to explain
                            Maybe it does not go well then forgive me

                            Our house has seven rooms
                            Each room has two or three network points

                            All points are occupied
                            No Vacancy

                            In addition
                            There is a single point at home one side connected to pfsense
                            And on the other side of AP
                            This point is connected to the card 4

                            Everything comes to the switch being held in my room

                            Two of the rooms have a reception problem
                            Where I want to put ap
                            But I have no connection available

                            The only option to build a new line for every room

                            If you don't need gigabit bandwidth you could split one cat5

                            i do need gigabit bandwidth

                            I probably tomorrow or the day after tomorrow will pave two new lines

                            Hope I explained well

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              The point is you can tag multiple VLANs across a single cable.  Put a switch at the end point, and break out the VLANs there.

                              I can just about guarantee nobody will notice you're running two VLANs over a gig-e link, speed wise.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                                kejianshi
                                last edited by

                                What he said…  ^

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