Maximum IP adresses issued on LAN, and I can not get internet access.
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Set up an additional ones besides the LAN and WAN with a setting of 24?
Use 2 interfaces with each having a /24
Use 3 if you need a management interface.
This is easy and cheap.
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Sorry I still do not get why are you using so small DHCP range (subset of /24) when you already have /16 in use on your LAN.
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Sorry I still do not get why are you using so small DHCP range (subset of /24) when you already have /16 in use on your LAN.
I am connected to lan port on wireless router, as a test setup. I am not directly connected to the cable modem, where the box will be finally installed. I am assuming since I set up the WAN side with DHCP. when I do the final install between the cable modem and switch. it will detect the new IP from the cable modem.
Is the /24 issued by the router i am connected to ?
That is my current assumption.
I changed my LAN to /22.
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Sigh. I give up. Making your LAN smaller will NOT help to solve lack of available IPs caused by assigning a yet even smaller subset of the available LAN range to the DHCP server. Kindly Google for some subnet calculator.
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Sigh. I give up. Making your LAN smaller will NOT help to solve lack of available IPs caused by assigning a yet even smaller subset of the available LAN range to the DHCP server. Kindly Google for some subnet calculator.
Ok .
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So pfsense gets 10.0.3.9 on its wan, what is its gateway - can it ping that? So your behind a nat already,so double nat.
Until pfsense itself can get to the internet, no clients will ever be able to get to the internet.
What do you have in front of pfsense?
As to the mask stuff.. So your lan with /16 gives you 65k addresses to work with 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.255.254, you could your make your dhcp scope had out all of those or any portion of those you want to hand out.
That mask is to big if you ask me, if you need 1000 users then I would make the mask on the lan /22 - or I would make multiple segments vs putting all those users in 1 segment. Please don't take this the wrong way - but if your having issues with this basic stuff, I am curious why are you trying to set this up. Wifi network for 1000 users would normally require way more than 3 AP, unless you only expected a very small portion of that user base to ever be on at the same time.
Lets say you you had = split between 3 AP, that is 333 users on each AP all sharing the bandwidth. What APs did you put in? Hope some very high end enterprise grade - or do you have some soho routers your trying to use as AP? Even the highest end AP wouldn't do very good with 300 clients on them ;)
I would suggest you hire company/consultant that deals with wifi installs of this nature to best help you make the users happy, etc.
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So pfsense gets 10.0.3.9 on its wan, what is its gateway - can it ping that? So your behind a nat already,so double nat.
YES
Until pfsense itself can get to the internet, no clients will ever be able to get to the internet.
What do you have in front of pfsense?
As to the mask stuff.. So your lan with /16 gives you 65k addresses to work with 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.255.254, you could your make your dhcp scope had out all of those or any portion of those you want to hand out.
That mask is to big if you ask me, if you need 1000 users then I would make the mask on the lan /22 - or I would make multiple segments vs putting all those users in 1 segment. Please don't take this the wrong way - but if your having issues with this basic stuff, I am curious why are you trying to set this up. Wifi network for 1000 users would normally require way more than 3 AP, unless you only expected a very small portion of that user base to ever be on at the same time.
We are installing 18, 3 is a test. There are a 1000 people in the building for the summer months, almost empty off season. I just want not to run out of IPs, I have no idea howe many devices. tablets computers and phones. 10 per unit maybe.
Lets say you you had = split between 3 AP, that is 333 users on each AP all sharing the bandwidth. What APs did you put in? Hope some very high end enterprise grade - or do you have some soho routers your trying to use as AP? Even the highest end AP wouldn't do very good with 300 clients on them ;)
The 18 APs will service no more than 60 users each and we will add more later when adoption ramps up.
I would suggest you hire company/consultant that deals with wifi installs of this nature to best help you make the users happy, etc.
Anyone interested ? I do not want to F it up.
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I put netgear nighthawk wireless routers r7000 ac1900 for the test some with tomato firmware and netgear, and will be running them as APs. They are limited to 32 connections per channel running netgears firmware.
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"The 18 APs will service no more than 60 users each and we will add more later when adoption ramps up. "
"I put netgear nighthawk wireless routers r7000 ac1900 for the test "So these home routers AC1900, r7000 are just tests.. What AP are you going to use in production? You can not be serious that you would roll out home routers as AP in such a setup??
60 users each is a LOT if you expect any sort of actual performance.
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Sorry I still do not get why are you using so small DHCP range (subset of /24) when you already have /16 in use on your LAN.
I'm not sure if you understand /24 /16 /8 etc prefixes, so I will post this.
https://www.ripe.net/images/cidr_working42.jpg
The reason I said use 2 /24s or maybe even 3 if you have the interfaces for it is because thats simple and easy and most consumer equipment defaults to using /24s anyway.
You can get lots of IPs on a single interface by making your prefix size larger (which means using smaller namubers - /16 is bigger than /24)
For instance, using a /23 on your LAN would get you 512 addresses.
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What's the budget for the project?
What do you have in place for switching and PoE?
Are you running new cables to the optimal locations (usually in ceilings) or are you just putting them wherever there is already a run? If the latter, where are they typically located?
Are you going to try to rely on meshing in any locations?
What's the general building construction? How many floors?
How did you arrive at the 18 AP number? Seems WAY too low at 10.3 apartment units per AP.
What kind of performance is expected?
Growth over 5-7 years (think about increases in associated devices)?
Any other requirements (captive portal, multiple BSSIDs, etc)?
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The reason I said use 2 /24s or maybe even 3 if you have the interfaces for it is because thats simple and easy and most consumer equipment defaults to using /24s anyway.
Using multiple subnets on the same SSID is tricky. I don't believe there is any requirement to renew DHCP when roaming from AP to AP.
With wired you can do whatever you want. Wireless, not so much.
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Then that leaves changing prefix size. Its just that anyone who could set that up easily wouldn't have asked the question to begin with.
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^ exactly those are all basic questions on setting up something like this.
Plus many more, many! Budget for a rollout of this sort of thing is going to be in the 10's of Ks most likely. There is a huge difference between setting up a wifi ap in your house or smb vs something like this with 1000 users in a high rise anything. Are you attempting to just cover common areas in the building or the apt themselves.
Are the apt owners running their own wifi? Do they have wired internet now? That could cause huge issues with wifi noise. To think such a project could be done by someone that does not even understand basic netmasks.. No offense but you are so far over head..
Only thing I can say positive is you picked pfsense ;)
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Thank you all ! I got it running….. moved the server in between the cable modem and the switch.
I would buy everyone here a few beers for your help. You all have brought from me from semi retarded IP class, to handicapped level !
Sorry I still do not get why are you using so small DHCP range (subset of /24) when you already have /16 in use on your LAN.
I'm not sure if you understand /24 /16 /8 etc prefixes, so I will post this.
https://www.ripe.net/images/cidr_working42.jpg
The reason I said use 2 /24s or maybe even 3 if you have the interfaces for it is because thats simple and easy and most consumer equipment defaults to using /24s anyway.
You can get lots of IPs on a single interface by making your prefix size larger (which means using smaller namubers - /16 is bigger than /24)
For instance, using a /23 on your LAN would get you 512 addresses.
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Thank you , now I understand that Ethernet interfaces gives more IPs.
Use 2 interfaces with each having a /24
Use 3 if you need a management interface.
This is easy and cheap.
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And so does using a /23 or /16 or whatever. So, be sure of your needs.
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Any recommendations for ones you have used ? Fast and reliable ….and off the shelf ..
I like off the shelf ones, the maintance department in the building can plug a spare preconfigured one in , for a hot swap, go to local store 10 minutes away and replace.
I meant that net gear published a max of around 30 users per channel. Most users will be just surfing or email. The reason I am installing this software to manage and monitor the bandwidth. I just want them to support the highest speed, for the least amount of money, with of course reliability. I am in the testing phase. The netgear router did not fart or burp with 10 simo video streams. I have no way to test more right now.
thank you
"The 18 APs will service no more than 60 users each and we will add more later when adoption ramps up. "
"I put netgear nighthawk wireless routers r7000 ac1900 for the test "So these home routers AC1900, r7000 are just tests.. What AP are you going to use in production? You can not be serious that you would roll out home routers as AP in such a setup??
60 users each is a LOT if you expect any sort of actual performance.
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I just want them to support the highest speed, for the least amount of money, with of course reliability.
"Pick any two"
The bare minimum I would look at for this is Ubiquiti UniFi.
I like off the shelf ones, the maintance department in the building can plug a spare preconfigured one in , for a hot swap, go to local store 10 minutes away and replace.
Except that when something fails in 18 months you find that what you've deployed was discontinued and is no longer available.
Have spares.
It truly boggles the mind that people think Wi-Fi home routers scale to something like this.
I would start by buying a UniFi UAP Pro, installing it, and performing a survey to see how well it covers your construction. As a GENERAL rule of thumb, I would shoot for no less than -67 on 5GHz. 2.4 will be stronger.
I would stop worrying about users per AP/radio. I believe you are going to find that in an apartment setting, you cannot get a strong enough signal to enough people to have to worry about it with anything resembling quality radios.
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Dude if I was trying to do something like this on shoestring budget I would deploy unifi AP, the entry levels are $70 - pros would be better at $200 each.
They are the cheapest AP with at least some enterprise features, etc. And a controller to give you details of how many clients, how they are connected, bandwidth used, etc. etc. Zero Handoff, etc.. Ceiling mounted POE.
https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/
These would allow someone to just swap new on it, etc. Not sure how you expect someone to swap in a soho router as AP unless its been pre setup as AP, etc.
