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    PfSense wakes my Synology NAS boxes from hibernation every 1 hour….

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      pfcode
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      @hda:

      @pfcode:

      …
      my NAS boxes (both setup to has static Lan IP) will be waken up every 1 hour. I must missing some of the setup settings
      ...

      Services: DHCP server:

      NAS has a number outside the pool ?
      Created in Static Mappings ?

      Yes. I setup them to have static Lan IP,  Static Mappings.

      Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
      M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
      HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
      RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
      AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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        pfcode
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        @hda:

        @pfcode:

        …
        my NAS boxes (both setup to has static Lan IP) will be waken up every 1 hour. I must missing some of the setup settings
        ...

        NAS has a number outside the pool ?

        Here is what my DHCP Server settings is:

        Available range 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254
        Range                 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.50

        My NAS static mappings is 192.168.1.107

        Am I doing some wrong here?  is it outside the pool?  Thanks.

        Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
        M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
        HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
        RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
        AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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          pfcode
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          I sent my nas hibernation debug logs to the Synology tech support, and here is what they replied:

          Based on the output you provided it appears that the router keeps trying to distribute DHCP addresses to the units, even though they already have an IP address.  A simple way to test this is to try unplugging the DiskStations from the network thereby isolating them from the router.  They should then stay in hibernation.

          Unfortunately if the router keeps trying to hand out an IP address, there's not much that can be done from the DiskStation side.  You can try setting a manual IP address, but it would be best to use one from outside of the router DHCP pool.

          Here is what my DHCP Server settings is:

          Available range    192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.254
          Range                    192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.50

          My NAS static mapping/lease is 192.168.1.107

          How should I do to fix it?

          Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
          M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
          HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
          RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
          AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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            hda
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            Avoid the NAS IP taken into the lease renewal.
            Your pool/range seems to be .2 to .50, so yes your .107 should be outside the pool.
            Did you create .107 with the mac in "Services: DHCP server" (bottom page)?

            [You should see the static in the list with "Status: DHCP leases"]

            I myself reserve low numbers for static entries and have a range/pool .101 to .200

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              pfcode
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              @hda:

              Avoid the NAS IP taken into the lease renewal.
              Your pool/range seems to be .2 to .50, so yes your .107 should be outside the pool.
              Did you create .107 with the mac in "Services: DHCP server" (bottom page)?

              I myself reserve low numbers for static entries and have a range/pool .101 to .200

              Yes. I create .107 with the NAS mac address under the bottom of DHCP Server/Lan, and my NAS did get that lan ip address, How to avoid the NAS IP taken into the lease renewal? all were blank by default.

              Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
              M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
              HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
              RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
              AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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                hda
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                Suggestion recreate: manual input a new IP (say .101) on both sides: NAS-side & pfSense-side.

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                  pfcode
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                  No. Didn't work, re-created it, but still wake up after 1 hour, but I only created it at pfSense side. would try to enter the manual IP, rather than auto DHCP, at the NAS side

                  Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
                  M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
                  HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
                  RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
                  AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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                  • DerelictD
                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                    Me? I'd put the NAS on a mirror port on my switch, let it sleep, then run a packet capture until it's woken up and see what caused it.

                    Why guess at the problem?

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      Agreed take a sniff and see exactly what is causing a wake up.

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                        pfcode
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                        @johnpoz:

                        Agreed take a sniff and see exactly what is causing a wake up.

                        As my NAS hibernation logs tells, also from Synology tech support:

                        It appears that the router keeps trying to distribute DHCP addresses to the units, even though they already have an IP address.

                        I'm not sure its the NAS problem or pfSense problem,  NAS is sending DHCPREQUEST command to pfSense every 1 hour, but if the lease time isn't expired, Shouldn't pfSense NOT distribute DHCP address to the unit?

                        Release: pfSense 2.4.3(amd64)
                        M/B: Supermicro A1SRi-2558F
                        HDD: Intel X25-M 160G
                        RAM: 2x8Gb Kingston ECC ValueRAM
                        AP: Netgear R7000 (XWRT), Unifi AC Pro

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                          doktornotor Banned
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                          @pfcode:

                          It appears that the router keeps trying to distribute DHCP addresses to the units, even though they already have an IP address.

                          Yes, of course, the DHCP server keeps "distributing" IP address requested by your NAS, kindly cf.

                          
                          dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST <my nas="" lan="" ip="">from <my nas="" mac="" addr="">via em1</my></my> 
                          

                          Also, the DHCP leases expire and need to get renewed (after a configurable period. check the GUI). So yeah, this will happen "even though they already have an IP address", perhaps the Synology support could educate themselves a bit.

                          Finally, if you do not want DHCP, then configure a static IP on your NAS and move on!

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                            hda
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                            @pfcode:

                            … but I only created it at pfSense side ...

                            Before you jump in mirroring investigation, if you know-how. I am not sure if you are exact & correct. You really should test giving the NAS a new number manually (outside the range/pool) AND manually input it in pfSense too.
                            This is to assure yourself the volatile memory about .107 is flushed on both sides… Maybe even reboot both hardware.

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              Yes.  It should not be a DHCP static mapping.  That still has to periodically renew.  It should be a static IP address directly configured on the NAS, outside the DHCP pool.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                What dhcp server doesn't just out of the blue send out hey you want to renew your lease packets.. But if it gets a request then yeah it will send back something..

                                Tell their their Tech Support to tell you how not to send a request.. What is the lease time to start with 2 hours?  Normally a dhcp client will request renewal of its lease at the 50% mark.  So if you want the nas not to request, then it should be long lease.  If the device is in standby/sleep why would it send out a dhcprequest is the question I would have.

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                                • DerelictD
                                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                                  True.  Should stop guessing and sniff.

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                                    doktornotor Banned
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                                    @johnpoz:

                                    If the device is in standby/sleep why would it send out a dhcprequest is the question I would have.

                                    This is not really any suspend-to-disk/ram hibernation. The only thing "hibernating" are the HDDs which are spun down. Now, look at this:

                                    
                                    # ps ax | grep dhclient
                                     4606 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/dhclient -4 -d -q -lf /etc/dhclient/ipv4/dhcpv4.leases.eth0 -pf /etc/dhclient/ipv4/dhcpcd-eth0.pid eth0
                                     5551 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/dhclient -6 -pf /tmp/dhclient6-eth0.pid -lf /etc/dhclient/ipv6/dhcpv6.lease.eth0 -cf /etc/dhclient/ipv6/dhcpv6.conf.eth0 -nw eth0
                                    
                                    

                                    Those dhcpv[46].lease.eth? files have stuff like this:

                                    
                                    lease {
                                      interface "eth0";
                                      fixed-address 192.168.1.10;
                                      option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
                                      option routers 192.168.1.1;
                                      option dhcp-lease-time 7200;
                                      option dhcp-message-type 5;
                                      option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.1;
                                      option dhcp-server-identifier 192.168.1.1;
                                      option host-name "DiskStation";
                                      option domain-name "example.com";
                                      renew 2 2015/05/19 19:46:58;
                                      rebind 2 2015/05/19 20:35:47;
                                      expire 2 2015/05/19 20:50:47;
                                    }
                                    
                                    

                                    This is just stupid. There's /tmp which is on tmpfs (ramdisk). Now, the lease file is on /etc instead, which is a HDD. Of course, when the lease is renewed, the HDD needs to spin up to write to the file.

                                    Tell Synology to move their temporary dhcpv[46].lease.eth? shit to /tmp when people enable "hibernation" – and it won't wake up HDDs from hibernation.  ::)

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                      the hdd are just spun down - ah yeah wouldn't call that sleep anything ;)

                                      If that lease file is from actual nas then looks to be only 2 hour lease..  That is not the default lease time in pfsense dhcp server is it?  Thought it was like 24, yup quick look on dhcp server tab "The default is 86400 seconds." So the nas is only requesting 2 hours by default?

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                                        doktornotor Banned
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                                        @johnpoz:

                                        If that lease file is from actual nas then looks to be only 2 hour lease..  That is not the default lease time in pfsense dhcp server is it?  Thought it was like 24, yup quick look on dhcp server tab "The default is 86400 seconds." So the nas is only requesting 2 hours by default?

                                        The default lease time is 7200 seconds on pfSense; the default maximum lease time is 86400 secs (one day).

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                          you are correct as always dok

                                          Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:23:15 PM
                                            Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 5:23:15 PM

                                          doh – helps if you actually read what your doing a copy of.  quick enough fix ;)

                                          Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, May 19, 2015 3:23:15 PM
                                            Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Wednesday, May 20, 2015 3:28:28 PM

                                          Now its 24 hours..

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                                          • DerelictD
                                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                                            I might have read something somewhere about clients requesting renewal halfway through their lease.

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