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    Strange address Shown in the dhcp leases

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    • H Offline
      hda
      last edited by

      @firefox:

      …
      it says partial MAC addresses
      Which part ?

      http://www.gcstech.net/macvendor/index.php?node=macsea

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      • C Offline
        cmb
        last edited by

        That's a BOOTP lease, which is why it looks weird.

        Hostnames are only there where the client sends one. It not having one isn't unusual, especially for the types of devices that do BOOTP.

        There are very limited devices that use BOOTP. Generally they're very old (1990s era printers for instance), or atypical embedded devices. It could be some broken device as well.

        It seems to be a semi-active device, or at least your time of last contact (cltt) seems to update. If you have a managed switch, try tracking down that MAC address' port and see what's plugged into it. If you don't have a managed switch it'll be harder to track down, though not too difficult if you have a small network. Unplug most things, see if it's still updating. Add things back one by one. See when that comes back. Or just try reaching the device to see what it's running. A nmap scan with OS identification enabled might be telling.

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        • C Offline
          cmb
          last edited by

          @Jailer:

          checking now but even if it is why would it be set to never expire?

          BOOTP leases never expire.

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          • C Offline
            cmb
            last edited by

            That MAC seems to be something a number of other people have seen pulling BOOTP leases, though at a glance through Google results I don't see anyone who found the source of it. Might be worthwhile to dig through those results more closely.
            https://www.google.com/webhp?q=%2200🆎00:00:00:00%22

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            • F Offline
              firefox
              last edited by

              I know
              Already encountered this once
              Last time i  simply blocked the address

              This time I wanted to know where it came from

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              • johnpozJ Offline
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by

                well track it down – its clearly on your network..

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                • F Offline
                  firefox
                  last edited by

                  I've checked
                  No device in my network
                  Have such address

                  That's why I ask

                  I blocked it again
                  As before

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                  • JailerJ Offline
                    Jailer
                    last edited by

                    Yeah it's definitely not a device on my network, this is my home network and every device is accounted for.

                    Could it possibly be my Dlink router that I'm using as an AP? DHCP is turned off on the router but the wireless does occasionally quit working, especially when it gets warmer out, requiring a power cycle to restore it.

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                    • johnpozJ Offline
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      Sorry but its has to be something on your network..

                      Could be something like a media player, dvr, doubt its your dlink.. But sure..  When you delete the lease how long until it comes back?  Is it every 24 hours, every 1 hour, every 10 minutes?  Does it ping to that IP you gave it?

                      What interface are you seeing it on?  Lan, Wan, Wireless?  You don't have a smart switch that shows you mac address table?

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                      • JailerJ Offline
                        Jailer
                        last edited by

                        Shows up on LAN, no smart switch. I'll have to check when I get home to see if it's back again. Had a power outage yesterday and as of last night it wasn't there.

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                        • johnpozJ Offline
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          Is your lan bridged to your wireless?  If showing up on your lan - clearly its on your network ;)

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                          • JailerJ Offline
                            Jailer
                            last edited by

                            No bridge, just DHCP disabled and static IP so it's working as an AP. pfsense is handling all the routing.

                            Checked my leases and it's not there any more. I dunno, maybe something left over from one of the many VM's I've had running? I'm out of ideas.

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by

                              So your wireless is on the same network as your lan - ie bridged..

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                              • JailerJ Offline
                                Jailer
                                last edited by

                                If that's what "bridged" means then yes. It is on the same subnet as LAN.

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                                • F Offline
                                  firefox
                                  last edited by

                                  @johnpoz:

                                  Sorry but its has to be something on your network..

                                  Could be something like a media player, dvr, doubt its your dlink.. But sure..  When you delete the lease how long until it comes back?  Is it every 24 hours, every 1 hour, every 10 minutes?  Does it ping to that IP you gave it?

                                  What interface are you seeing it on?  Lan, Wan, Wireless?  You don't have a smart switch that shows you mac address table?

                                  Here is a list of all the addresses on my network
                                  1-27 are static addresses

                                  and 43 is Dynamic address

                                  If I shut down the DHCP
                                  I assume he could not get access to the network
                                  but Guests also can not

                                  If I delete this address
                                  After a while, it comes back
                                  Can be after 10 minutes
                                  Can be after two hours
                                  Can be after 16 hours
                                  No fixed time

                                  You can not ping to it

                                  PING 192.168.0.43 (192.168.0.43) 56(84) bytes of data.
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=4 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=5 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=6 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=7 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=8 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=9 Destination Host Unreachable
                                  
                                  

                                  I do not have a smart switch
                                  i see this address on my LAN
                                  i have WAN ,LAN, WIFI, and BRIDGE (lan and wifi)

                                  I have 2 routers that serve as an access point
                                  edimax 192.168.0.104
                                  dlink 192.168.0.101
                                  a network card on the pfsense also as AP (the wifi)
                                  and one cisco access point (192.168.0.25)
                                  all have fixed (static) IP
                                  DHCP shut down in the routers

                                  I went physically at home  to each device that connects to the network
                                  And checked Mack addresses the same as in the DHCP leases

                                  ![mac address.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/mac address.png)
                                  ![mac address.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/mac address.png_thumb)

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                                  • T Offline
                                    tim.mcmanus
                                    last edited by

                                    If you have a *NIX box on your network you can run nmap to do some network discovery and determine what is where.  I think there's also an nmap package for pfSense that would also scan your network and determine what is running where.  Very handy and powerful utility.

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                                      firefox
                                      last edited by

                                      what is "NIX box" ??

                                      Know the package which is installed
                                      It does not show anything

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                                      • johnpozJ Offline
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                        Well without 3 different AP and wireless and wired on the same lan without a smart switch.. Yeah going to have a hard time tracking it down.

                                        So your sure its showing up on your lan interface?  Or your just seeing it hit your dhcp server?  Why don't you sniff for the bootp packets..  This might give you some better clue to what the device in the details of the packet.

                                        And you don't need a nix (unix/linux) box to run nmap, runs on windows just fine.  Not sure that would help - the OS identification isn't very good if you ask me.

                                        So can not ping, but it arps??  So when you try and ping that IP, and you look in your arp table you see it?

                                        Destination host unreach normally means it didn't arp..

                                        So no real AP, or smart switch - tracking down something like this can be tricky.. If you had a smart switch and real AP you could see where the mac is listed on physical port and what macs are trying to associate to your AP..

                                        So is your wireless open, or secured..  Change your psk, if can not assoicate with your wireless its not possible for it to get a lease from your dhcp server.  If still happens could be one of your routers acting as AP..  Turn 1 off at a time until you don't get it showing up any more.

                                        Do you run any sort of visualization.. How did you check for the mac exactly on all your devices?

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                                          firefox
                                          last edited by

                                          So your sure its showing up on your lan interface?  Or your just seeing it hit your dhcp server?

                                          i see it on the DHCP leases not in the dhcp server

                                          Why don't you sniff for the bootp packets..  This might give you some better clue to what the device in the details of the packet.

                                          how do i do that ?

                                          So can not ping, but it arps??  So when you try and ping that IP, and you look in your arp table you see it?

                                          no cant see it in the arp

                                          there are all the options

                                          Running: /usr/local/bin/nmap  -sP -PR '192.168.0.43'
                                          Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-06-16 17:03 IDT
                                          Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -Pn
                                          Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.52 seconds
                                          
                                          Running: /usr/local/bin/nmap  -sS -P0 -sV -O '192.168.0.43'
                                          Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-06-16 17:04 IDT
                                          Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 2.95 seconds
                                          
                                          Running: /usr/local/bin/nmap  -sT '192.168.0.43'
                                          Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-06-16 17:05 IDT
                                          Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -Pn
                                          Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.49 seconds
                                          
                                          Running: /usr/local/bin/nmap  -sS -P0 -sV -O '192.168.0.43'
                                          Starting Nmap 6.40 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-06-16 17:06 IDT
                                          Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 2.07 seconds
                                          
                                          

                                          So no real AP, or smart switch - tracking down something like this can be tricky.. If you had a smart switch and real AP you could see where the mac is listed on physical port and what macs are trying to associate to your AP..

                                          the cisco is real access point

                                          So is your wireless open, or secured

                                          my wireless is secured

                                          If still happens could be one of your routers acting as AP..

                                          my routers  are acting as AP as i said

                                          Do you run any sort of visualization.. How did you check for the mac exactly on all your devices?

                                          i went to every computer and tv and printer and lap top
                                          and check (i go to setting Depending on the device And saw the mac address)

                                          ![home.plex - Status DHCP leases - 2015-06-16_17.10.12.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/home.plex - Status DHCP leases - 2015-06-16_17.10.12.png)
                                          ![home.plex - Status DHCP leases - 2015-06-16_17.10.12.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/home.plex - Status DHCP leases - 2015-06-16_17.10.12.png_thumb)
                                          ![home.plex - Diagnostics ARP Table - 2015-06-16_17.16.50.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/home.plex - Diagnostics ARP Table - 2015-06-16_17.16.50.png)
                                          ![home.plex - Diagnostics ARP Table - 2015-06-16_17.16.50.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/home.plex - Diagnostics ARP Table - 2015-06-16_17.16.50.png_thumb)
                                          ![Cisco IOS Series AP - 2015-06-16_17.18.38.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/Cisco IOS Series AP - 2015-06-16_17.18.38.png)
                                          ![Cisco IOS Series AP - 2015-06-16_17.18.38.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Cisco IOS Series AP - 2015-06-16_17.18.38.png_thumb)

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                                          • johnpozJ Offline
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                            diag, packet capture will allow you to sniff..  Pick your lan interface, UDP and either port 67 or 68 since these are the ports bootp/dhcp will be on.

                                            Let it run until you see the lease show up with that weird mac in it, if you have a lot of dhcp on your network then you might need to change the 100 packet limit to 0 or something greater to catch the packets.

                                            Then download it and check it wireshark.

                                            example see attached - you can validate the discover is from the odd ball mac, and then look into the details of the packet and you might get some info that helps you identify what is actually asking for ip.

                                            If you can not see it in arp, your not going to be able to nmap scan it.  Turn off your other AP, do you still get it - then look in the AP for associated clients..  If you change your psk, would seem unlikely the device could associate with your wireless and get an IP..  So either its an actual AP device asking for it, or something wired.

                                            So are any of your machines running any visualization software?

                                            dhcpexample.png
                                            dhcpexample.png_thumb

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