FYI: there's something cool coming from PC Engines
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@BlueKobold:
Do you have permission from Pascal/PCengines to post this link in public forums?
If the Link is up everybody is able to find it over Google!
No.
First you don't know how the new device will be called so you can only guess what to look for and
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Well they have the apu2b2 on the price list and it's listed as beta test, but no apu2b4. Curious what the price on it will be.
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Well they have the apu2b2 on the price list and it's listed as beta test,
And this means beta only as i see it right.
but no apu2b4. Curious what the price on it will be.
The APU2b2 comes without ECC RAM but the APU2B4 does and now please
read the release notes:Release notes
BIOS is not feature complete yet, in particular -
• No boot from SD card.
• ECC not working yet.
• Boot order selection not working yet.
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That SOC includes a "Platform Security Processor", which, as far as I can tell, is an ARM core implementing TrustZone, but for the amd64 platform. If those features are accessible, it would be very cool.
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Anyone know if this platform can support DPDK?
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Interesting they have AES-NI instructions on AMD…
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Anyone know if this platform can support DPDK?
Until now I was only seeing or hearing this (DPDK) named together with the Intel
QuickAssist Technology could it might be the same or something that is based on the other perhaps?Data Plane Development Kit (DPDK) is perhaps something that give you the capability to
write your own code for the Intel QuickAssist Technology. Here is what I found about that.
Intel Quick Assist Technology (DPDK)Interesting they have AES-NI instructions on AMD…
I think this is something like the MMX,SSE, and so on registers that can be inserted also by others
if they paying license fees to the other part who was doing the research, but good for us as customers
that we can until now also buying AMD CPUs that comes with this feature or function inside, or am I wrong
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I'm pretty sure DPDK is not tied to QuickAssist (and that the document you link to is just an example of how the two can be used together).
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DPDK is not tied to quickassist.
But a 1GHz part isn't going to be that fast, either.
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I am left wondering why they chose to keep the same 6" x 6" form factor of the old board, instead of Nano-ITX or Mini-ITX.
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@jwt:
DPDK is not tied to quickassist.
But a 1GHz part isn't going to be that fast, either.
Thanks for enlighten us in this case. but why then some board vendors do promotion likes this for their boards?
Supports Intel DPDK enabling softwareBecause if this would not be tend to AES-NI or QuickAssist, what is the goal for this DPDK option?
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@Phishfry:
I am left wondering why they chose to keep the same 6" x 6" form factor of the old board, instead of Nano-ITX or Mini-ITX.
To fit their cases, just like the Alix and APU have the same footprint and external connectors.
The mistake is that they kept the same CPU down with a heat-spreader attached to the case design. That's (still) gonna suck.
BTW, I posted about this board back in January:
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=83075.msg474524#msg474524RCC-DFF is better.
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@jwt:
RCC-DFF is better.
Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
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Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
There is only $50 delta in the boards. Where is your other $50? Show your work. 8)
How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
Eventually you will either have to either throttle the CPUs (from 1GHz to… lower), or things crash (because some other component gets too hot.)
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How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4?
APU cooling is so critical that only black and red chassis are advised.
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@jwt:
Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
There is only $50 delta in the boards. Where is your other $50? Show your work. 8)
http://store.netgate.com/ADI/RCC-DFF-2220.aspx
Board, case, power supply: $275http://pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=48881
apu2b4 board: CHF 143.13
case1d2blku: CHF 10.04
ac12vus: CHF 4.38
According to google's currency exchange rates, that is $159.62.It's actually more than $100 difference, although you'll need to supply some storage for the apu2b4. However, it includes double the RAM, and ECC at that.
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@jwt:
The mistake is that they kept the same CPU down with a heat-spreader attached to the case design. That's (still) gonna suck.
It does… I have installed my APU upside down (so CPU up), pasted heatsinks on the casing above the CPU, drilled the case to allow airflow, ... and still the result is mediocre.
When stressing the board, core temperature rises to 60-62°C (the unit is in a too-little-vented closet at home, ambient temp +-20°C)How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
It does however poses no issue for everyday usage and works fine here, just know what you buy.
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{CHF 157,55} According to google's currency exchange rates, that is $159.62.
It's actually more than $100 difference, although you'll need to supply some storage for the apu2b4. However, it includes double the RAM, and ECC at that.Nope and varying massively depending on where you live.
a) You are only allowed to buy from pcengines directly if you either reside in Switzerland or
b) are an international dealer with a valid WEEE registration number (think: costs money to obtain)
c) you left shipping costs completely out of the equation
d) add import duties and taxes/VAT to the net amount, according to your local laws.
e) add company taxes since you have to be a company to get a WEEE registration numberNow do the math again.
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The street price in the US of a full APU4 kit with case, ps, and a card is about $250. The ADI 2440 runs $350. But, it has better nics, another ethernet port, faster CPU with quickassist, and you don't have to assemble it. If they keep the price the same, and you get better nics and cpu, it might be worth it in some deployments. I wouldn't buy one of the current APU boards over the 2440. The 2220 is comparable in price to the APU, if you can get by with two ethernet ports. I need at least three.
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The street price in the US of a full APU4 kit with case, ps, and a card is about $250.
Here in Germany it is vice versa!
- APU1D4 ready assembled without storage and WiFi and pfSense ~202 € + sipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA but without WiFi and pfSense ~225 € + shipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA and WiFi but without pfSense ~259 € + shipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA and WiFi and pre-installed pfSense ~271 € + shipping
Because the swiss is near us!
pfSense SG-2440 ~645 € + shipping
Because the USA is not near us or far away!The ADI 2440 runs $350. But, it has better nics, another ethernet port, faster CPU with quickassist, and you don't have to assemble it.
The new APU2B4 comes also with Intel NICs, 4 CPU Cores, ECC RAM and AES-NI, so it might be more fair
to compare the new ones to the SG units. But the SG-4860 and SG-8860 are awesome compared against
the PC Engines if more horse power is needed. But for low budget or simple home usage the APU and APU2
are more often bought here because the price pending and base.
