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DPDK is not tied to quickassist.
But a 1GHz part isn't going to be that fast, either.
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I am left wondering why they chose to keep the same 6" x 6" form factor of the old board, instead of Nano-ITX or Mini-ITX.
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@jwt:
DPDK is not tied to quickassist.
But a 1GHz part isn't going to be that fast, either.
Thanks for enlighten us in this case. but why then some board vendors do promotion likes this for their boards?
Supports Intel DPDK enabling softwareBecause if this would not be tend to AES-NI or QuickAssist, what is the goal for this DPDK option?
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@Phishfry:
I am left wondering why they chose to keep the same 6" x 6" form factor of the old board, instead of Nano-ITX or Mini-ITX.
To fit their cases, just like the Alix and APU have the same footprint and external connectors.
The mistake is that they kept the same CPU down with a heat-spreader attached to the case design. That's (still) gonna suck.
BTW, I posted about this board back in January:
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=83075.msg474524#msg474524RCC-DFF is better.
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@jwt:
RCC-DFF is better.
Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
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Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
There is only $50 delta in the boards. Where is your other $50? Show your work. 8)
How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
Eventually you will either have to either throttle the CPUs (from 1GHz to… lower), or things crash (because some other component gets too hot.)
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How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4?
APU cooling is so critical that only black and red chassis are advised.
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@jwt:
Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
There is only $50 delta in the boards. Where is your other $50? Show your work. 8)
http://store.netgate.com/ADI/RCC-DFF-2220.aspx
Board, case, power supply: $275http://pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=48881
apu2b4 board: CHF 143.13
case1d2blku: CHF 10.04
ac12vus: CHF 4.38
According to google's currency exchange rates, that is $159.62.It's actually more than $100 difference, although you'll need to supply some storage for the apu2b4. However, it includes double the RAM, and ECC at that.
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@jwt:
The mistake is that they kept the same CPU down with a heat-spreader attached to the case design. That's (still) gonna suck.
It does… I have installed my APU upside down (so CPU up), pasted heatsinks on the casing above the CPU, drilled the case to allow airflow, ... and still the result is mediocre.
When stressing the board, core temperature rises to 60-62°C (the unit is in a too-little-vented closet at home, ambient temp +-20°C)How much of an issue is heat dissipation for the apu1d4? Does it affect performance or does it just "run hot"?
It does however poses no issue for everyday usage and works fine here, just know what you buy.
I guess it depends on the need and budget. (and how cheap you can get or SG's (US), or APU's (EU) –> no affiliation to either, I have installed a couple of SG's as well as apu's over the last year.) -
{CHF 157,55} According to google's currency exchange rates, that is $159.62.
It's actually more than $100 difference, although you'll need to supply some storage for the apu2b4. However, it includes double the RAM, and ECC at that.Nope and varying massively depending on where you live.
a) You are only allowed to buy from pcengines directly if you either reside in Switzerland or
b) are an international dealer with a valid WEEE registration number (think: costs money to obtain)
c) you left shipping costs completely out of the equation
d) add import duties and taxes/VAT to the net amount, according to your local laws.
e) add company taxes since you have to be a company to get a WEEE registration numberNow do the math again.
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The street price in the US of a full APU4 kit with case, ps, and a card is about $250. The ADI 2440 runs $350. But, it has better nics, another ethernet port, faster CPU with quickassist, and you don't have to assemble it. If they keep the price the same, and you get better nics and cpu, it might be worth it in some deployments. I wouldn't buy one of the current APU boards over the 2440. The 2220 is comparable in price to the APU, if you can get by with two ethernet ports. I need at least three.
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The street price in the US of a full APU4 kit with case, ps, and a card is about $250.
Here in Germany it is vice versa!
- APU1D4 ready assembled without storage and WiFi and pfSense ~202 € + sipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA but without WiFi and pfSense ~225 € + shipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA and WiFi but without pfSense ~259 € + shipping
- APU1D4 ready assembled with mSATA and WiFi and pre-installed pfSense ~271 € + shipping
Because the swiss is near us!
pfSense SG-2440 ~645 € + shipping
Because the USA is not near us or far away!The ADI 2440 runs $350. But, it has better nics, another ethernet port, faster CPU with quickassist, and you don't have to assemble it.
The new APU2B4 comes also with Intel NICs, 4 CPU Cores, ECC RAM and AES-NI, so it might be more fair
to compare the new ones to the SG units. But the SG-4860 and SG-8860 are awesome compared against
the PC Engines if more horse power is needed. But for low budget or simple home usage the APU and APU2
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@BlueKobold:
pfSense SG-2440 ~645 € + shipping
But the price includes 19% VAT (net: 541,00 EUR)
And that's the price with pfSense subscription which you don't get for the stated APU1D4 prices.
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a) You are only allowed to buy from pcengines directly if you either reside in Switzerland or
b) are an international dealer with a valid WEEE registration number (think: costs money to obtain)Oh, really? The USD orders page [1] doesn't mention that. And the order form doesn't seem to require that you declare the name of your company when ordering.
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But the price includes 19% VAT (net: 541,00 EUR)
For sure they do, if I am buying a SG-2440 unit here in Germany as an end user and this means,
a home or private user and not business user, I have to pay ~645 € for a SG-2440 unit.
50 € on top by counting $1:1€ and I get in the USA nearly a SG-4860 for $699.
So this was only talking about the shipping costs.a) You are only allowed to buy from pcengines directly if you either reside in Switzerland or
b) are an international dealer with a valid WEEE registration number (think: costs money to obtain)Oh, really? The USD orders page [1] doesn't mention that. And the order form doesn't seem to require that you declare the name of your company when ordering.
[1]
http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4Due to cumbersome recycling regulations in the EU we do not sell to end users in EU countries.
Business users must enter their VAT ID, and register with recycling organizations in all countries they sell to.
Switzerland is NOT a EU country !!! You will have to pay import VAT and possibly duty, as well as customs
handling fees. This will be collected by customs, the postal service or courier company.
DDU term = Delivered Duty / VAT Unpaid.Well as they stated on their website, they will only sale to business customers.
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@jwt:
Perhaps, but the apu2b4 will cost about $100 less when you include the case and power supply. Assuming the current prices and CHF->USD exchange rate holds.
There is only $50 delta in the boards. Where is your other $50? Show your work. 8)
http://store.netgate.com/ADI/RCC-DFF-2220.aspx
Board, case, power supply: $275http://pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=48881
apu2b4 board: CHF 143.13
case1d2blku: CHF 10.04
ac12vus: CHF 4.38
According to google's currency exchange rates, that is $159.62.It's actually more than $100 difference, although you'll need to supply some storage for the apu2b4. However, it includes double the RAM, and ECC at that.
Has an OS loaded, and is assembled.
ECC does nothing for you at that density. I don't understand why he's spent the money.
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@BlueKobold:
@jwt:
DPDK is not tied to quickassist.
But a 1GHz part isn't going to be that fast, either.
Thanks for enlighten us in this case. but why then some board vendors do promotion likes this for their boards?
Supports Intel DPDK enabling softwareBecause if this would not be tend to AES-NI or QuickAssist, what is the goal for this DPDK option?
They're saying "we have Intel NICs and a 64-bit Intel CPU."
It's marketing.
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@BlueKobold:
pfSense SG-2440 ~645 € + shipping
Because the USA is not near us or far away!
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The new APU2B4 comes also with Intel NICs, 4 CPU Cores, ECC RAM and AES-NI, so it might be more fair
to compare the new ones to the SG units. But the SG-4860 and SG-8860 are awesome compared against
the PC Engines if more horse power is needed. But for low budget or simple home usage the APU and APU2
are more often bought here because the price pending and base.The SG-2440 includes pfSense support. The APU/APU do not. I'd like you to compare like to like.
A RCC-VE 2440 is 400 EUR (ex VAT) https://shop.voleatech.de/en/shop/rcc-ve-2440/
A SG-2220 is 329 EUR (ex VAT) https://shop.voleatech.de/en/shop/sg-2220/
and just to be complete, a SG-2440 is 529 EUR ex VAT https://shop.voleatech.de/en/shop/sg-2440/
The APU2B4 has a 1GHz clock, so single-core is going to suck compared to a 2440, and if you push it hard (say with netmap-fwd or dpdk, or worse, you spin all the cores hard) you're going to end up stopping the clock a lot to stay inside the thermal envelope of the CPU.
yes, for simple home usage the APU/APU2 will get the job done.
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@BlueKobold:
But the price includes 19% VAT (net: 541,00 EUR)
For sure they do, if I am buying a SG-2440 unit here in Germany as an end user and this means,
a home or private user and not business user, I have to pay ~645 € for a SG-2440 unit.RCC-VE 2440 is 476,00 EUR with VAT https://shop.voleatech.de/en/shop/rcc-ve-2440/ (net: 400,00)
SG-2440 is 629,51 EUR with VAT https://shop.voleatech.de/en/shop/sg-2440/ (net: 529,00)
