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    • D
      dcol Banned
      last edited by

      No VPN and one WAN.

      Only suggestion in a search I could find was the Conservative setting.
      I also increased the nmbclusters to 1000000. I am using all igb interfaces.
      All the offloading is checked/disabled.

      PA, RA, FA happens on all the interfaces and happens 20-30 times a minute. The good traffic does eventually get through but I have a lot of broken packets.

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      • D
        dcol Banned
        last edited by

        Here is an example in my firewall log. There has to be something wrong here!

        Protocol.jpg
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        • KOMK
          KOM
          last edited by

          https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Why_do_my_logs_show_%22blocked%22_for_traffic_from_a_legitimate_connection

          Any time there are excessive ACKs being dropped, it's almost always out of state traffic.  Weird that it's logging a block between 20.1 and 20.2.  Any wireless clients on the network?  They are notorious for leaving connections hanging and switching networks on a whim.

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          • D
            dcol Banned
            last edited by

            No there are not any Wireless networks, just one WAN and 2 subnets (192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.20.0/24)
            I am also not doing any Clustering or Load Balancing.

            My issue is that this is a new problem.

            So what else could be causing this issue?

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            • KOMK
              KOM
              last edited by

              First off, are you actually seeing any problems on your network or are you just reacting to log spam?

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              • D
                dcol Banned
                last edited by

                I haven't noticed any issues, but these logs alarmed me since I have never seen this before. I suspect my internal network speed must be slower if there are all these bad packets but not sure how to test that.

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  Some of those are to loopback, 127.0.0.1

                  What are you running on pfsense on port 19006??

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                  • D
                    dcol Banned
                    last edited by

                    As far as I know nothing is running on port 19006. But those eventually disappeared.

                    The real issue is that every connection to PFsense gets a PA, RA, or FA before it goes through. Even local to local connections. Every HTTP access gets one too, but then goes through.
                    There is something wrong here when every incoming or outgoing packet drops before it goes through.

                    Any suggestions?

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                    • H
                      Harvy66
                      last edited by

                      FA and RA are just FIN and Reset packets. They're trying to close the connection. No point worrying about blocking packets that are meant to kill a connection if the connection is already dead.

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                      • KOMK
                        KOM
                        last edited by

                        Post screens of your LAN configuration and firewall rules.  Something screwy is going on.  Local traffic doesn't hit the firewall at all, and I noted this when I said it was funny that it's logging a block between 192.168.20.1 and 192.168.20.2.  No VLANs configured?

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by

                          Are you running some sort of port forward or weird nat reflection setups… I agree with I can think of nothing that would be running on pfsense that listens on that port.. Post up a output of sockstat -4 -l

                          example of mine

                          
                          [2.3.2-RELEASE][root@pfsense.local.lan]/root: sockstat -4 -l
                          USER     COMMAND    PID   FD PROTO  LOCAL ADDRESS         FOREIGN ADDRESS
                          root     php-fpm    4623  5  udp4   *:*                   *:*
                          root     radiusd    76653 13 udp4   192.168.2.253:1812    *:*
                          root     radiusd    76653 14 udp4   192.168.2.253:1814    *:*
                          proxy    ftp-proxy  68730 3  tcp4   127.0.0.1:8021        *:*
                          ladvd    ladvd      38973 9  udp4   *:*                   *:*
                          root     ladvd      38787 5  udp4   *:*                   *:*
                          dhcpd    dhcpd      12642 16 udp4   *:67                  *:*
                          dhcpd    dhcpd      12642 20 udp4   *:64384               *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 4  udp4   192.168.9.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 5  tcp4   192.168.9.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 8  udp4   192.168.2.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 9  tcp4   192.168.2.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 15 udp4   192.168.3.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 16 tcp4   192.168.3.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 19 udp4   192.168.4.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 20 tcp4   192.168.4.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 21 udp4   192.168.6.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 22 tcp4   192.168.6.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 25 udp4   192.168.7.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 26 tcp4   192.168.7.253:53      *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 27 udp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 28 tcp4   127.0.0.1:53          *:*
                          unbound  unbound    93283 31 tcp4   127.0.0.1:953         *:*
                          root     openvpn    31208 6  udp4   24.13.snipped:4142     *:*
                          root     openvpn    18443 6  udp4   24.13.snipped:1194     *:*
                          root     openvpn    14412 6  tcp4   24.13.snipped:443      *:*
                          root     syslogd    49062 7  udp4   192.168.9.253:514     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 21 udp4   *:123                 *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 23 udp4   192.168.9.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 26 udp4   192.168.2.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 29 udp4   192.168.3.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 31 udp4   127.0.0.1:123         *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 34 udp4   192.168.4.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 36 udp4   192.168.5.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 38 udp4   192.168.6.253:123     *:*
                          root     ntpd       44109 41 udp4   192.168.7.253:123     *:*
                          root     nginx      40900 6  tcp4   *:443                 *:*
                          root     nginx      40900 8  tcp4   *:80                  *:*
                          root     nginx      40737 6  tcp4   *:443                 *:*
                          root     nginx      40737 8  tcp4   *:80                  *:*
                          root     nginx      40531 6  tcp4   *:443                 *:*
                          root     nginx      40531 8  tcp4   *:80                  *:*
                          root     xinetd     28003 0  udp4   127.0.0.1:6969        *:*
                          root     sshd       13927 5  tcp4   *:22                  *:*
                          root     php-fpm    264   5  udp4   *:*                   *:*
                          [2.3.2-RELEASE][root@pfsense.local.lan]/root:
                          
                          

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                          • D
                            dcol Banned
                            last edited by

                            KOM - See attached configs, I do use a Virtual IP that redirects to an assigned IP, No VLAN's

                            Johnpoz- No port forwards to port 19006. I use a few rules to direct email traffic to the correct IP

                            As far as the port 19006 hits, saw more this morning, so I setup a TCP port monitor to capture what process is causing it. But it looks like PFsense is generating the packets by looking at the sockstat

                            Here are the Firewall rules and sockstat

                            I noticed the extended Internet daemon port in the sockstat list. What does this mean?

                            FW_LAN.jpg
                            FW_LAN.jpg_thumb
                            FW_OPT1.jpg
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                            FW_WAN.jpg
                            FW_WAN.jpg_thumb
                            sockstat.jpg
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                            • KOMK
                              KOM
                              last edited by

                              Your rules are a bit of a mess.  Rules are applied to traffic entering an interface.  You can delete almost all of your LAN/OPT1 rules and replace them with a single Allow Any rule on each.  Generally, you don't specify a Source since the network the traffic is coming from is the source.  For example, on your LAN rules you don't need to specify Source as LAN Net since no other traffic is going to be coming into the LAN interface other than LAN Net traffic.  Those 2 Allow All rules at the bottom of your WAN rules needs to go, pronto.

                              Clean your rules up and this might help eliminate any weirdness going on.

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by

                                Yeah with KOM here those rules are complete mess..

                                Your lan rule is any any at the top, for udp/tcp why is it called allow email??  What email runs on udp?

                                Anyhow - all the rules below that are just pointless.

                                Rules are evaluated top down, first rule wins, rest are not even looked at.  As the packets enter the interface.

                                Those rules on your wan are BAD!!!

                                What do you have in your xinetd conf?

                                cat /var/etc/xinetd.conf

                                What packages do you have installed other than pfblocker?

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                                • D
                                  dcol Banned
                                  last edited by

                                  Thanks for taking the time to help with these rules.

                                  As for the LAN rules, see change below. I simplified it to any-any

                                  As for the WAN rules, I have trimmed them down to the ones needed for the NAT port forwarding, see change below.

                                  So in actuality, I should have only the WAN direct ports and have all the other interfaces pass any to any. I have no need for any restrictions on any of my internal networks. The only blocking I care about is from the WAN. But I do know that you also have to use the rules to direct traffic, as in the WAN rules below.

                                  Don't I need a rule to allow internet traffic to my LAN. It does seem to work without one.

                                  LAN2.jpg
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                                  WAN2.jpg
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                                  • DerelictD
                                    Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                                    last edited by

                                    Not sure why you are not using protocol any on your LANX rules if you really want no restrictions between LAN interfaces.

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      "I do know that you also have to use the rules to direct traffic"

                                      Huh?  Sure if you want to do policy routing out a specific gateway or vpn connection, etc.  But lan to opt etc.. Or just out the default gateway no there is no need to "direct" anything.

                                      If you really want no restrictions than that rule should be any not tcp/udp.  So you won't be able to ping stuff with that setup.  Even though you would be able to hit http..

                                      So what is the content of your xinetd.conf ??
                                      cat /var/etc/xinetd.conf

                                      You clearly had something listening on that 19006 port..

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                                      • K
                                        kpa
                                        last edited by

                                        Ehm, no. Directly connected networks are known to the system by their routing table entries that do not need a gateway entry in the table. Gateways are only needed for "foreign" destinations, i.e. networks that are not directly connected to the system. The best example is of course the default gateway which is the 0.0.0.0/0 entry (often marked as "default" as it is in pfSense also) in the routing table, it's not a directly connected network so in order to reach it a gateway has to be configured. Like so in my pfSense system (public IPs censored):

                                        
                                        $ netstat -nr -f inet
                                        Routing tables
                                        
                                        Internet:
                                        Destination        Gateway            Flags      Netif Expire
                                        default            88.195.aaa.1       UGS         em1
                                        10.0.0.0/8         127.0.0.1          UGS         lo0
                                        10.71.14.0/24      link#2             U           em0
                                        10.71.14.1         link#2             UHS         lo0
                                        88.195.aaa.0/19    link#3             U           em1
                                        88.195.bbb.ccc     link#3             UHS         lo0
                                        127.0.0.1          link#7             UH          lo0
                                        172.16.0.0/12      127.0.0.1          UGS         lo0
                                        192.168.0.0/16     127.0.0.1          UGS         lo0
                                        192.168.1.0/24     link#3             U           em1
                                        192.168.1.200      link#3             UHS         lo0
                                        
                                        

                                        Here the 88.195.aaa.0/19 is a directly connected network (the WAN network), so is my LAN network of 10.71.14.0/24. The system knows how to reach hosts on those networks without a need to send the traffic to a gateway by issuing an ARP query on the connected network to figure out which MAC address the traffic should be sent to on the ethernet level.

                                        The default gateway, the one that is needed to reach the "world out there, the internet" is the first line that says "default            88.195.aaa.1      UGS        em1". This says that in order to connect to any IP address/network that does not match an entry in the routing table of this system forward the traffic to address 88.195.aaa.1 and not very surprisingly the routing table also has instructions on how to reach that address, the "88.195.aaa.0/19    link#3            U          em1" line.

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                                        • D
                                          dcol Banned
                                          last edited by

                                          I did change the LAN tcp/udp to any right after I posted the rules.

                                          See attached the xinetd file. Why are those 19001-19008 ports in there? Is this normal?

                                          Here is my routing table. The first 2 entries are DNS. Does this look ok?

                                          Routing tables

                                          Internet:
                                          Destination          Gateway            Flags    Netif Expire
                                          default                  xx.xx.129.113    UGS      igb2
                                          68.105.28.16        xx.xx.129.113    UGHS    igb2
                                          68.105.29.16        xx.xx.129.113    UGHS    igb2
                                          xx.xx.129.112/28  link#3                U            igb2
                                          xx.xx.129.114      link#3                UHS        lo0
                                          xx.xx.129.117      link#3                UHS        lo0
                                          xx.xx.129.117/32  link#3                U            igb2
                                          xx.xx.129.124      link#3                UHS        lo0
                                          xx.xx.129.124/32  link#3                U            igb2
                                          127.0.0.1              link#7                UH          lo0
                                          192.168.1.0/24    link#4                U            igb3
                                          192.168.1.1          link#4                UHS        lo0
                                          192.168.3.0/24    link#5                U            igb4
                                          192.168.3.1          link#5                UHS        lo0
                                          192.168.10.0/24  link#2                U            igb1
                                          192.168.10.1        link#2                UHS        lo0
                                          192.168.20.0/24  link#1                U            igb0
                                          192.168.20.1        link#1                UHS        lo0

                                          xx.xx.129.113 is the default gateway assigned by ISP
                                          xx.xx.129.114-125 is my assigned IP block. Currently only using 114,117,124
                                          192.168.3.0/24 is the subnet used for the wireless router - OPT3
                                          114-WAN/igb2, 117-OPT1/igb0, 124-OPT2/igb1, LAN/igb0, OPT3/igb4

                                          xinetd.txt

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                                          • D
                                            dcol Banned
                                            last edited by

                                            The reason I said "I do know that you also have to use the rules to direct traffic" is because there was a time in the past where the LAN any-any rule would not work for some devices on the same LAN subnet unless I gave it a specific rule. That does not seem to be the case now, so any-any is working for all devices on the LAN subnet as it should.

                                            Also, that statement does seem to be true for the WAN where there is no any-any rule. Or any interface which does not have an any-any rule.
                                            So, does my posted new WAN rules look ok?

                                            Dan

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