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      Cortex
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      Well. Actually my previous internet connection was 50 mbit. With the new 100 mbit I could reach 60-65 mbit, but still the unit would respond very slow, and it would stop writing rrd graphs.
      I don't know anything about squeezing extra speed from the encryption/decryption settings. I just used whatever private internet access guides I could find.

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        DeLorean
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        @uknownme123:

        10 Put drive in WG XTM 5 and boot ( have sound, serial, and WebGUI ) ♦ Note I did remove the 1GB CF card

        Good job!. Unless you flashed the bios, you will not see the option to disable always boot from CF.…..

        I have recently installed a SSD in a XTM 515 and did a full install,
        i have not flashed the bios and the firewall boots fine straight from the SSD without the CF card.

        Grtz
        DeLorean

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          urby
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          Where are you all buying the DDR2-800 4GB sticks for this?  I have been looking all over and cant seem to find any except for an ebay seller with this article.

          Edit:
          I did find these, at $155 for 2 4GB sticks it's pricy like others have said but is the low density type.

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Hmm, I personally just ran with whatever I had already. I've never found a lack of RAM to be a problem.
            That blog post certainly makes for scary reading. If you can't make those settings on a desktop it's unlikely to work in a network appliance!

            Steve

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              uknownme123
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              @urby:

              Where are you all buying the DDR2-800 4GB sticks for this?  I have been looking all over and cant seem to find any except for an ebay seller with this article.

              Edit:
              I did find these, at $155 for 2 4GB sticks it's pricy like others have said but is the low density type.

              Checked Ebay prices for 8gb ddr2 low density. Results showed some 4gb x 2 sticks, all priced over $100. Not worth it for me, too expensive but each to his/her own. In my opinion, unless you will be utilizing over 4gb like running virtual OS under pfsense with byhve or massive filter list in Snort/Dansguardian, I would not buy it.

              I have some 4gb high density sticks, the ones labeled "for AMD motherboard," NO! they don't work on intel boards.

              If you like the xtm5 look/platform, If you plan to go big like supporting a 500+ user connection for a large corporation you may want to look at more recent pfSense system like SG-8860 1U.

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                Smoothrunnings
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                Does anyone know where I can get the rack ears for the XTM 5 series? I bought a firebox which I am in the process of converting over but would like to find the rack ears for it; can't find any on ebay. I don't want have to buy a tray for my rack to put it on. lol :)

                Thanks,

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                  chpalmer
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                  @Smoothrunnings:

                  Does anyone know where I can get the rack ears for the XTM 5 series? I bought a firebox which I am in the process of converting over but would like to find the rack ears for it; can't find any on ebay. I don't want have to buy a tray for my rack to put it on. lol :)

                  Thanks,

                  Ive got a pair.. But only found one of them in the drawer..  Ill keep looking and repost if I find the missing one.

                  Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                  Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                    uknownme123
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                    Anyone know where I can get clear stickers, like these. I know the store has the white background ones. I got some of those. But the clear ones look super.

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                      Smoothrunnings
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                      I have a two 510's now and want to convert one into a PFSense box. Can I use any LGA 775 Quad Core CPU or am I limited to specific ones? What have people done to mount their SATA drive into their Fireboxes?

                      Also do I need to use a 4GB CF card or can I use a 16GB one for PFSense? I am asking because I would prefer not to spend weeks waiting for one to arrive from Amazon or Ebay, the camera shops here in Toronto, ON, Canada only carry 16GB + cards.

                      And lastly where do I find the bios update?

                      Thanks

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                        Alup
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                        @stephenw10:

                        The SPI header pin-out was pretty standard from what I remember off-hand. I thought it was detailed in fact somewhere.

                        Hmm, looks like some of those links are 404ing…  :'(

                        Steve

                        Edit: Attached SPI pin-out I used.

                        What was the offset you used. Because I have tried several times to re-flash the bios via SPI using my Willem PCB6 and the board still does not boot. If i try forcing the power on using the AT psu pins/jumpers it will light up all the leds and spin up the fans but it gets no where. It will not boot. Any ideas where I need to look?

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                        • chpalmerC
                          chpalmer
                          last edited by

                          @Smoothrunnings:

                          Can I use any LGA 775 Quad Core CPU or am I limited to specific ones?

                          What have people done to mount their SATA drive into their Fireboxes?

                          And lastly where do I find the bios update?

                          Thanks

                          I use - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU    Q9650  @ 3.00GHz

                          I modified a 2.5" to 3.5 inch adapter bracket to fit. I know a guy that uses plexiglass.

                          https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=43574.msg337492#msg337492

                          Triggering snowflakes one by one..
                          Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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                            sammyji
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                            @PFseb:

                            Had been busy with this is parallel to my normal work (I did not have so much time, because I had hoped to have it finished).

                            However, my preliminary findings (pictures will come when I find the optimal solution):

                            • Replacement of case & CPU fan is a huge success, this eliminates a lot of noise (understatement);

                            • PSU fan can be modified, but it is in general noisy, currently thinking to go PicoPSU, currently investigating the options -> modifying PSU fan is not wortth the hassle in time (to investigate & find -> low noise replacements do not exist)

                            What PSU power would be correct, the one currenly build in is overpowered:

                            • CPU=35W (Celeron

                            • 3 Fans = 0.48W*3=1.5W

                            • Mobo = 25-40W

                            • Mem=2~5W (orginal XTM 520 mem)

                            • Enclosure = 5~10W (estimate)

                            • Additional HD = 3W

                            This mean a total of 94.5W when all components are working at max performance.
                            From PicoPSU the following kits can be used (net yet tested myself):

                            • picoPSU-160-XT + 192W Adapter Power Kit

                            • picoPSU-150-XT + 150W Adapter Power Kit

                            • picoPSU-150-XT + 102W Adapter Power Kit

                            • picoPSU-120 + 102W Adapter Power Kit (not recommended because you need an additional cable to convert a molex to a 4 PIN ATX)

                            Update 5-4-2016:
                            I got my hands on a picoPSU-150-XT + 102W Adapter Power Kit for 50 euro, which is quite a OK deal in Europe. Tested it yesterday and the box is super duper quiet. However when you have the box in thermal mode once in a while the fans spin up, which is not preferable. Better it is to have the fans by default spin a little faster than they do in thermal mode, in general the CPU will be cooled better and will never reach the BIOS threshold. Currenlty thinking of a way how to adjust.
                            (Probably by putting the fans in super fast mode in BIOS and adjust the speed with a resistor)
                            I hope to test this afternoon.

                            Now I will see where I can get my hands on, to test this in my Firebox.

                            What fans did u get? I'm thinking of spending some time on the firebox, upgrading the CPU and memory and tackle the noise as well

                            So this is my buy list

                            1. CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad - Q8400 or Q8200  about $10 (have a 200MB line and will be using this for openVPN/voip/PBX)
                            2. Memory - have some DDR2 lying around - will try to see if that works with the new CPU
                            3. Fans - ?? CPU/Case. Will probably leave the PSU fan alone $20
                            4. Ears - cant find the right ears for the box - ended up getting the wrong ones and will probably use those elsewhere

                            Thinking what the Power hit would be with the CPU Change

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                              Alup
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                              @sammyji:

                              What fans did u get? I'm thinking of spending some time on the firebox, upgrading the CPU and memory and tackle the noise as well

                              So this is my buy list

                              1. CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad - Q8400 or Q8200  about $10 (have a 200MB line and will be using this for openVPN/voip/PBX)
                              2. Memory - have some DDR2 lying around - will try to see if that works with the new CPU
                              3. Fans - ?? CPU/Case. Will probably leave the PSU fan alone $20
                              4. Ears - cant find the right ears for the box - ended up getting the wrong ones and will probably use those elsewhere

                              Thinking what the Power hit would be with the CPU Change

                              Can you post a picture of the ears? If they are the ones for the XcoreE series Then I would buy them from you. I have been looking everywhere for ears for my x1250e and can not find any.

                              Also, an update on my XTM 5 box that will not power on. I think there is a problem with the bios chip its self, The chip is a M25P80-VMW6TG by ST. I bought 5 of them on ebay to replace the one that is on my board, the total cost of the 5 chips? A whopping $2.49 USD.. Why the heck did I not just do that in the first place.. If the new chips do not fix the issue then I guess my next step is to break out the logic analyzer and go through the board with that and a multimeter to find why the hell it wont power on. its not the PSU as I already replaced it with a new one.

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                                sammyji
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                                They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

                                My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

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                                  Alup
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                                  @sammyji:

                                  They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

                                  My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

                                  So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

                                  Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

                                  Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

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                                    Smoothrunnings
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                                    @Alup:

                                    @sammyji:

                                    They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

                                    My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

                                    So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

                                    Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

                                    Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

                                    Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

                                    Edit: Moved quote tags

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                                      Alup
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                                      @Smoothrunnings:

                                      Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

                                      i just got pissed off at it and bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/231955673350

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                                        Smoothrunnings
                                        last edited by

                                        @Alup:

                                        @Smoothrunnings:

                                        Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

                                        i just got pissed off at it and bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/231955673350

                                        If I was going to replace my Watchguard XTM 510 the upgrade would have to be something like this.
                                        https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60037013540-800213290/Intel_B75_LGA1155_1u_Firewall_Server_with_6_LAN_and_Bypass_10_Gigabit_Optical_Card.html

                                        Otherwise there is no point! :)

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                                          Alup
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                                          yeah but for the price that I got this "TrustWave" for I was like meh what the hell give it a shot. I will create a thread when I get it describing how to put PFSENSE on it.

                                          I have a custom built pfSense box, im not really doing this for purpose of "setting up a firewall" Im getting it because I love making hardware do things it was not intended to do. I like stuff like this. Its more fun than anything else and if fun comes this cheap then so be it. Plus if i get it and give the specs/stats then others could get one too that dont have alot of cash and get a firewall for themselves.

                                          The XTM box i got was only 26 dollars when i bought it so im not really that upset that i cant get it to boot.

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                                            sammyji
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                                            @Alup:

                                            @sammyji:

                                            They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

                                            My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

                                            So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

                                            Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

                                            Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

                                            When i powered on, the fans ran, nothing on console, no beeps when the memory was the issue.

                                            PS : Rack ear pics attached - If you are local, you can pick them up for free :)

                                            [Rack Ears.zip](/public/imported_attachments/1/Rack Ears.zip)
                                            [Rack Ears.zip](/public/imported_attachments/1/Rack Ears.zip)

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