Watchguard XTM 5 Series

DeLorean

10 Put drive in WG XTM 5 and boot ( have sound, serial, and WebGUI ) Note I did remove the 1GB CF card

Good job!. Unless you flashed the bios, you will not see the option to disable always boot from CF.…..

I have recently installed a SSD in a XTM 515 and did a full install,
i have not flashed the bios and the firewall boots fine straight from the SSD without the CF card.

Grtz
DeLorean

urby

Where are you all buying the DDR2-800 4GB sticks for this? I have been looking all over and cant seem to find any except for an ebay seller with this article.

Edit:
I did find these, at $155 for 2 4GB sticks it's pricy like others have said but is the low density type.

stephenw10

Hmm, I personally just ran with whatever I had already. I've never found a lack of RAM to be a problem.
That blog post certainly makes for scary reading. If you can't make those settings on a desktop it's unlikely to work in a network appliance!

Steve

uknownme123

@urby:

Where are you all buying the DDR2-800 4GB sticks for this? I have been looking all over and cant seem to find any except for an ebay seller with this article.

Edit:
I did find these, at $155 for 2 4GB sticks it's pricy like others have said but is the low density type.

Checked Ebay prices for 8gb ddr2 low density. Results showed some 4gb x 2 sticks, all priced over $100. Not worth it for me, too expensive but each to his/her own. In my opinion, unless you will be utilizing over 4gb like running virtual OS under pfsense with byhve or massive filter list in Snort/Dansguardian, I would not buy it.

I have some 4gb high density sticks, the ones labeled "for AMD motherboard," NO! they don't work on intel boards.

If you like the xtm5 look/platform, If you plan to go big like supporting a 500+ user connection for a large corporation you may want to look at more recent pfSense system like SG-8860 1U.

Smoothrunnings

Does anyone know where I can get the rack ears for the XTM 5 series? I bought a firebox which I am in the process of converting over but would like to find the rack ears for it; can't find any on ebay. I don't want have to buy a tray for my rack to put it on. lol :)

Thanks,

chpalmer

@Smoothrunnings:

Does anyone know where I can get the rack ears for the XTM 5 series? I bought a firebox which I am in the process of converting over but would like to find the rack ears for it; can't find any on ebay. I don't want have to buy a tray for my rack to put it on. lol :)

Thanks,

Ive got a pair.. But only found one of them in the drawer.. Ill keep looking and repost if I find the missing one.

uknownme123

Anyone know where I can get clear stickers, like these. I know the store has the white background ones. I got some of those. But the clear ones look super.

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Smoothrunnings

I have a two 510's now and want to convert one into a PFSense box. Can I use any LGA 775 Quad Core CPU or am I limited to specific ones? What have people done to mount their SATA drive into their Fireboxes?

Also do I need to use a 4GB CF card or can I use a 16GB one for PFSense? I am asking because I would prefer not to spend weeks waiting for one to arrive from Amazon or Ebay, the camera shops here in Toronto, ON, Canada only carry 16GB + cards.

And lastly where do I find the bios update?

Thanks

Alup

@stephenw10:

The SPI header pin-out was pretty standard from what I remember off-hand. I thought it was detailed in fact somewhere.

Hmm, looks like some of those links are 404ing… :'(

Steve

Edit: Attached SPI pin-out I used.

What was the offset you used. Because I have tried several times to re-flash the bios via SPI using my Willem PCB6 and the board still does not boot. If i try forcing the power on using the AT psu pins/jumpers it will light up all the leds and spin up the fans but it gets no where. It will not boot. Any ideas where I need to look?

chpalmer

@Smoothrunnings:

Can I use any LGA 775 Quad Core CPU or am I limited to specific ones?

What have people done to mount their SATA drive into their Fireboxes?

And lastly where do I find the bios update?

Thanks

I use - Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz

I modified a 2.5" to 3.5 inch adapter bracket to fit. I know a guy that uses plexiglass.

https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=43574.msg337492#msg337492

sammyji

@PFseb:

Had been busy with this is parallel to my normal work (I did not have so much time, because I had hoped to have it finished).

However, my preliminary findings (pictures will come when I find the optimal solution):

Replacement of case & CPU fan is a huge success, this eliminates a lot of noise (understatement);

PSU fan can be modified, but it is in general noisy, currently thinking to go PicoPSU, currently investigating the options -> modifying PSU fan is not wortth the hassle in time (to investigate & find -> low noise replacements do not exist)

What PSU power would be correct, the one currenly build in is overpowered:

CPU=35W (Celeron

3 Fans = 0.48W*3=1.5W

Mobo = 25-40W

Mem=2~5W (orginal XTM 520 mem)

Enclosure = 5~10W (estimate)

Additional HD = 3W

This mean a total of 94.5W when all components are working at max performance.
From PicoPSU the following kits can be used (net yet tested myself):

picoPSU-160-XT + 192W Adapter Power Kit

picoPSU-150-XT + 150W Adapter Power Kit

picoPSU-150-XT + 102W Adapter Power Kit

picoPSU-120 + 102W Adapter Power Kit (not recommended because you need an additional cable to convert a molex to a 4 PIN ATX)

Update 5-4-2016:
I got my hands on a picoPSU-150-XT + 102W Adapter Power Kit for 50 euro, which is quite a OK deal in Europe. Tested it yesterday and the box is super duper quiet. However when you have the box in thermal mode once in a while the fans spin up, which is not preferable. Better it is to have the fans by default spin a little faster than they do in thermal mode, in general the CPU will be cooled better and will never reach the BIOS threshold. Currenlty thinking of a way how to adjust.
(Probably by putting the fans in super fast mode in BIOS and adjust the speed with a resistor)
I hope to test this afternoon.

Now I will see where I can get my hands on, to test this in my Firebox.

What fans did u get? I'm thinking of spending some time on the firebox, upgrading the CPU and memory and tackle the noise as well

So this is my buy list

CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad - Q8400 or Q8200 about $10 (have a 200MB line and will be using this for openVPN/voip/PBX)
Memory - have some DDR2 lying around - will try to see if that works with the new CPU
Fans - ?? CPU/Case. Will probably leave the PSU fan alone $20
Ears - cant find the right ears for the box - ended up getting the wrong ones and will probably use those elsewhere

Thinking what the Power hit would be with the CPU Change

Alup

@sammyji:

What fans did u get? I'm thinking of spending some time on the firebox, upgrading the CPU and memory and tackle the noise as well

So this is my buy list

CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad - Q8400 or Q8200 about $10 (have a 200MB line and will be using this for openVPN/voip/PBX)

Memory - have some DDR2 lying around - will try to see if that works with the new CPU

Fans - ?? CPU/Case. Will probably leave the PSU fan alone $20

Ears - cant find the right ears for the box - ended up getting the wrong ones and will probably use those elsewhere

Thinking what the Power hit would be with the CPU Change

Can you post a picture of the ears? If they are the ones for the XcoreE series Then I would buy them from you. I have been looking everywhere for ears for my x1250e and can not find any.

Also, an update on my XTM 5 box that will not power on. I think there is a problem with the bios chip its self, The chip is a M25P80-VMW6TG by ST. I bought 5 of them on ebay to replace the one that is on my board, the total cost of the 5 chips? A whopping $2.49 USD.. Why the heck did I not just do that in the first place.. If the new chips do not fix the issue then I guess my next step is to break out the logic analyzer and go through the board with that and a multimeter to find why the hell it wont power on. its not the PSU as I already replaced it with a new one.

sammyji

They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

Alup

@sammyji:

They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

Smoothrunnings

@Alup:

@sammyji:

They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

Edit: Moved quote tags

Alup

@Smoothrunnings:

Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

i just got pissed off at it and bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/231955673350

Smoothrunnings

@Alup:

@Smoothrunnings:

Looks cool but there is a problem with getting one of these boards. It's got a different layout than the Watchguard XTM 5 series that it would really onto be ideal if one bought the case and power supply as well.

i just got pissed off at it and bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/231955673350

If I was going to replace my Watchguard XTM 510 the upgrade would have to be something like this.
https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60037013540-800213290/Intel_B75_LGA1155_1u_Firewall_Server_with_6_LAN_and_Bypass_10_Gigabit_Optical_Card.html

Otherwise there is no point! :)

Alup

yeah but for the price that I got this "TrustWave" for I was like meh what the hell give it a shot. I will create a thread when I get it describing how to put PFSENSE on it.

I have a custom built pfSense box, im not really doing this for purpose of "setting up a firewall" Im getting it because I love making hardware do things it was not intended to do. I like stuff like this. Its more fun than anything else and if fun comes this cheap then so be it. Plus if i get it and give the specs/stats then others could get one too that dont have alot of cash and get a firewall for themselves.

The XTM box i got was only 26 dollars when i bought it so im not really that upset that i cant get it to boot.

sammyji

@Alup:

@sammyji:

They are some generic ones. Will post a pic soon.

My xtm5 box refused to power on initially too. Ended up being a memory stick issue. Reseated and it came back on. Male sure to have only the necessary components in it first before you add the pcie riser/additional ram/etc. Try to boot it stock. Not saying that you've missed something, but I did and almost threw my xtm530 out.

So when you say that it refused to power on were you getting any thing at all out of it? Because when I hit the power button on mine i get nothing, I do not get any kind of life out of it at all unless I force it on via the AT power switch jumper.

Also, something interesting. I discovered that you can get the XTM's (or close to them) straight from china…. https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60044665760-800205511/_1U280SF_NM70SL_1U_VPN_Firewall_with_2_SFP.html

Or heck we could even upgrade our XTM boxes: https://tostarcn.en.alibaba.com/product/60476540616-802197910/LGA_771_ATX_Power_G41_6_LAN_Motherboard_network_Server_Firewall_router_Motherboard.html

When i powered on, the fans ran, nothing on console, no beeps when the memory was the issue.

PS : Rack ear pics attached - If you are local, you can pick them up for free :)

[Rack Ears.zip](/public/imported_attachments/1/Rack Ears.zip)
[Rack Ears.zip](/public/imported_attachments/1/Rack Ears.zip)

Alup

@sammyji:

When i powered on, the fans ran, nothing on console, no beeps when the memory was the issue.

PS : Rack ear pics attached - If you are local, you can pick them up for free :)

Well they look like they would fit it box but I dont think they are long enough to make up for the stupid size of the box to fit in the rack and mount. I had got some ears off an old dell powerconnect and drilled the holes to make it work for the xcoree and discovered that same thing.

if I can not get this xtm 5 to work then I will just send you the ears off it.