Watchguard XTM 5 Series
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Ah, sorry I've clearly not been paying attention. ::)
That's interesting from an academic point of view. Raises some questions.
However I must ask that any such discussion is taken off the public forum. Whilst you and I might have no need to use that for subversive reasons there will be others who try it, unfortunately.
Were you ever able to enable EIST (speedstep) successfully in your BIOS?
It's been so long since I tried it I forget exactly what success I had there. I do recall having to make several changes to set the MSR bit correctly after boot though.Thanks,
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Stephen what box have you switched to or are you still using an XTM?
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Well you can probably imagine I have a whole host of boxes. Some might say too many! ::)
I still have the XTM5 and I use it for testing snapshots and packages etc all the time. Also useful as source or sink in throughput testing something else. I'm running an E8400 in it now. Runs solid.
I'd still love to get Speedstep working properly but finding the time to dig deep enough is difficult.I still run an X-Core-E box but it flakes out about once a week now. Just too many old components in it.
Steve
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Has not even occurred to me since the two strings were just so obvious at the beginning of the file when viewed with a hex editor. Feel free to redact my posts.
I have not touched speedstep at all. It would require a lot of learning on my part first and I suffer from a very chronic lack of time. It would be awesome if someone got it to work correctly though.
Ah, sorry I've clearly not been paying attention. ::)
That's interesting from an academic point of view. Raises some questions.
However I must ask that any such discussion is taken off the public forum. Whilst you and I might have no need to use that for subversive reasons there will be others who try it, unfortunately.
Were you ever able to enable EIST (speedstep) successfully in your BIOS?
It's been so long since I tried it I forget exactly what success I had there. I do recall having to make several changes to set the MSR bit correctly after boot though.Thanks,
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I can now also report that the Q9505s CPU is working beautifully in my unit, but of course sans speedstep.
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What's really annoying is that I did once have it sort of working. I had to override the DSDT table with one I had added P-state values to though.
Problem is it's so long ago now I can't remember exactly what I did. ::)
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=43574.msg265760#msg265760
Steve
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Greetings folks,
I am a long time tomato user preparing to move to pfsense. I recently picked up an XTM 525 via craigslist and added a SATA SSD. The installation went smoothly other than a minor hiccup with the characters not displaying properly on my terminal.
Unfortunately, the unit is a bit too noisy for my home despite using WGXepc64 for slowing down the fans. The noise appears to be originating from the CPU fan(s), which I understand are controlled by the bios. Unlike the bios in other systems, this unit 's bios is dated 4/26/2010.
I'd appreciate suggestions on how to get the bios unlocked/CPU fans silenced.
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Your options are limited unfortunately, unless you have coding skills and time. ;)
The system fan is (relatively) easily adjustable but the CPU fans are controlled by a different chip that is only accessible via smbus and hence far more complex to access. Though by no means impossible.
You could swap out the fans. You could fit in line speed reducers/controllers.
Be aware that any of those options will reduce air-flow increasing temperatures inside the case and potentially reducing component life. You have been warned etc…. ;)
Steve
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Thanks Stephenw10, I'll start looking into replacement fans. Unfortunately I have a feeling that I might be putting the XTM525 on sale and installing pfsense on a Dell T30 server.
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I started tinkering with this a little bit and have a question. Have you essentially extracted and "disassembled" the DSDT using the Intel iasl compiler, then edited it to include the new P-states, then re-compiled and re-inserted into the BIOS? I am doing all of my tinkering from Arch Linux so overriding the BIOS supplied DSDT at boot time for testing purposes would be quite easy…
I also loaded Windows 7 onto the box and I got really weird results while testing Speedstep: CPU-Z shows the multiplier changing dynamically between 6.0x and 8.5x on my Q9505s CPU, but at exactly the same time HWiNFO64 shows the multiplier fixed at 8.5x and voltage fixed at 1.2V.
It all seems to work consistently on my "PC" which is an Asus P5KE, despite that board not officially supporting the Q9505s. I pulled and disassembled the DSDT from the P5K to see how it dynamically detects the CPU power states, as opposed to hard coding the table specific to one CPU only...
What's really annoying is that I did once have it sort of working. I had to override the DSDT table with one I had added P-state values to though.
Problem is it's so long ago now I can't remember exactly what I did. ::)
https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=43574.msg265760#msg265760
Steve
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You can include a different DSDT table at boot in FreeBSD too so I did not need to insert it into the BIOS. But other than that, yeah.
@https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=acpi&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+11.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html:
LOADER TUNABLES
Tunables can be set at the loader(8) prompt before booting the kernel or
stored in /boot/loader.conf. Many of these tunables also have a matching
sysctl(8) entry for access after boot.acpi_dsdt_load
Enables loading of a custom ACPI DSDT.acpi_dsdt_name
Name of the DSDT table to load, if loading is enabled.Before you can do that though you need to enable the speedstep MSR in the BIOS and if I recall correctly it is locked so you need to change the speedstep lock register (or prevent it being set). I did that in my modified bios.
Steve
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Just a quick update:
I did a bit of experimenting from Arch Linux with a standard XTM515 box (factory BIOS and factory CPU). I can confirm that in BIOS 1.3 speedstep MSR is is indeed locked, but it is already set to 0x1 by default! So no MSR changes are required at all.
I also fiddled a bit with changing the FID and VID manually by means of the c2ctl utility. I just switched FID and VID from their allowable MAX state to MIN state and run a "benchmark" in each state. The CPU is definitely behaving correctly in each state and there is a corresponding performance change reflected in the benchmark results. So speedstep control does function correctly.
When I have more time I will repeat the same test while monitoring the box power consumption to see if there is any difference.
And then I will make an attempt at cutting a modified DDST to see if it works.
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I was unable to see any measurable power consumption difference difference when I did it but I came to the conclusion that because the processor supports deeper halt states that may be masking any effect Speedstep has there.
Steve
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I was unable to see any measurable power consumption difference difference when I did it but I came to the conclusion that because the processor supports deeper halt states that may be masking any effect Speedstep has there.
Steve
Right, you are absolutely correct. First, here are my results with a stock unit running minimalist installation of Arch Linux:
| XTM515 State | Power [W] | Power [VA] |
| OFF | 2 | 6 |
| Booting | 63 | 63 |
| Idle (Speedstep HI) | 46 | 47 |
| Idle (Speedstep LO) | 46 | 47 |
| Load (Speedstep HI) | 81 | 82 |
| Load (Speedstep LO) | 59 | 60 |In other words speedstep has absolutely no power consumption benefit near idle state. It has huge benefit when the cores are pegged, of course, but this would defeat the purpose. So the real benefit would be in the intermediate performance states where the CPU is under partial loads - the system can then trade-off some performance for lower power consumption. Mind you, this is probably a realistic typical operating state for a firewall appliance, so having it functional may save some energy in the long run…
I might redo the same test on my upgraded unit with 4GB RAM, Q9505S CPU and Intel SSD320, just for kicks.
Peter.
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Ah nice result. :)
For many people a low to intermediate load is where a Core2duo is likely to operate most of the time. I had thought it might be of some benefit there.Did you add P-states specific for your CPU? I recall I had some difficulty finding the 'official' values but there were plenty of suggestions on both overclocking and underclocking forum threads.
Steve
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Thank you :D
This was all done by setting the registers manually. I made an attempt at a custom DSDT yesterday and it was a total failure. I then realized that even if I decompile and recompile the factory DSDT with no changes it does not work. It completely messes up the box, as in network ports are not recognized by the kernel, etc. I have to figure out why this does not work first…
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Ah, interesting I never tried that.
I definitely did have it working at one time. Failed to keep better notes. :-[
Steve
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Unfortunately, the unit is a bit too noisy for my home despite using WGXepc64 for slowing down the fans. The noise appears to be originating from the CPU fan(s), which I understand are controlled by the bios. Unlike the bios in other systems, this unit 's bios is dated 4/26/2010.
I'd appreciate suggestions on how to get the bios unlocked/CPU fans silenced.If you use Y splittercables, then you can combine all the fan connectors to 1 connector,
and connect this connector to the chassis fan connector on the mainboard, then you can use WGXepc64 to lower the fanspeed as low as you want.
Keep in mind, that lowering the fanspeed too much, the cpu temp will raise under load.Grtz
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Hi Peter, can please you give me some more details aubout the VGA cable?
I need to have the same!Regards
Christian
- The on-board VGA header definitely works, and it works very well. I made a custom cable with a connector I got from digiKey and it's been extremely useful in playing with the box. The front USB ports work well with USB keyboards and mice as well, so the box becomes a fully functional PC with on-board video.
Cheers,
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If you use Y splittercables, then you can combine all the fan connectors to 1 connector,
and connect this connector to the chassis fan connector on the mainboard, then you can use WGXepc64 to lower the fanspeed as low as you want.
Keep in mind, that lowering the fanspeed too much, the cpu temp will raise under load.Grtz
DeLoreanI was initially hoping to have independent control of the fans based on temperature, but perhaps I can get to a balanced medium.
Thanks for the response, I'll get splitter cables ordered.iJay
