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    • kaysersosaK
      kaysersosa
      last edited by

      Ran DIG from the Client PC, below is the output.

      C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>dig www.google.com +trace

      ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> www.google.com +trace
      ;; global options: +cmd
      ;; Received 12 bytes from 10.7.13.1#53(10.7.13.1) in 1 ms

      C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by

        that is not a +trace..

        You got back nothing from unbound..  You should of gotten back roots and walked down from there.

        Force getting the roots… do say

        E:>dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com +trace

        ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 www.google.com +trace
        ; (1 server found)
        ;; global options: +cmd
        .                      175855  IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
        .                      175855  IN      RRSIG  NS 8 0 518400 20180519170000 20180506160000 39570 . l8I2NF/qog7oKasVnbc5E50ay3bAXx+PahYvKlyxf+IpcoJdPrl6LUIO Z7Sfx+GJRaUyNCnBsiBdQqjyGKE/RSv+HtbUlwGb57lwOJsV3GAcCDBw gePDO350Q7kSueVqY+/Xdjyc4BbhhmGe5X4PdMONI8V74k2qMyrNVjzE vi8yL6IWizDPt3K9boWxJHVpE03GRxC9NfxtCrcTzwXdIHUBSnK6ZoYt Bys2S6/mqqeJyqJqpglpZzuvOw03MTplye0HcGZ/w7u5u2Pdhxm7Oghj Kepa0xtQEuT3oPpBFRvZTg5MKCPoeZgy82Wq8heakZztqN/gpvAgrmoL iO2mvA==
        ;; Received 525 bytes from 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) in 12 ms

        notice I got back the roots from 8.8.8.8

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        • kaysersosaK
          kaysersosa
          last edited by

          From the Client PC

          C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>dig @8.8.8.8 www.google.com +trace

          ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> @8.8.8.8 www.google.com +trace
          ; (1 server found)
          ;; global options: +cmd
          .                      115791  IN      NS      a.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      b.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      c.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      d.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      e.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      f.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      g.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      h.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      i.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      j.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      k.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      l.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      NS      m.root-servers.net.
          .                      115791  IN      RRSIG  NS 8 0 518400 20180518170000 20180505160000 39570 . NEoKyFHHEdXvMg1bip/9XeAQhV22bQa04O5tUH/g2SN/9AcYb0vbkLP/ 1ur6HNU8K57rUWZl94Zmbh7NA4gGQ7SarA9OvG9wz4YrdLkWEV9Up+JI JvvH9d+IlFQdlsV9XGwZ9xJRAnz2KflsOlFO8/vbRIQyLSJXANaNp/NV KYkOaWgjghVzN8x5qbsErU9P5G/UUQ6BZdis03rGLOMkchRggV9y7+/G 5JlPtyXoNBczvDS5j29yTV0F3P3Tf5cmtiK2DfwD4Lk6thTymBcf7qfL Ga9amC4QdfvDUhXVzPOFTARvST7yzIDCqwqbuW8s7imw2Z23Q2TqTqwq 6RDhbQ==
          couldn't get address for 'a.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'b.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'c.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'd.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'e.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'f.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'g.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'h.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'i.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'j.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'k.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'l.root-servers.net': not found
          couldn't get address for 'm.root-servers.net': not found
          dig: couldn't get address for 'a.root-servers.net': no more

          C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            dude change your client to use 8.8.8.8 as its dns… Then do you dig..

            So that allowed you to get the roots, but after that client will use its default dns to get the IP address of roots.  Your case that seems to be broken.

            If you set your client to use 8.8.8.8 and then do a

            dig www.google.com +trace

            it should work

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            • kaysersosaK
              kaysersosa
              last edited by

              I think I know where to make that change, see attachment.
              Added the 8.8.8.8 and the 8.8.4.4 and unchecked DNS Server Override.

              Run on Client PC after change above.

              C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>dig www.google.com +trace

              ; <<>> DiG 9.11.3 <<>> www.google.com +trace
              ;; global options: +cmd
              ;; Received 12 bytes from 10.7.13.1#53(10.7.13.1) in 0 ms

              C:\Program Files\ISC BIND 9\bin>

              ![sys setup.png](/public/imported_attachments/1/sys setup.png)
              ![sys setup.png_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/sys setup.png_thumb)

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              • kaysersosaK
                kaysersosa
                last edited by

                Forgot to mention that on the Dashboard page under DNS server(s) I see the following.

                127.0.0.1
                8.8.8.8
                8.8.4.4

                Prior it was showing
                127.0.0.1
                99…from ISP modem
                99...from ISP modem
                anything I added

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by

                  all meaning less..

                  Can your client work when pointing directly at 8.8.8.8 and not to pfsense.

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                  • kaysersosaK
                    kaysersosa
                    last edited by

                    Yes, hooked directly up to the ISP modem it can connect to the internet.

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                      last edited by

                      Dude point your client to 8.8.8.8 leave it behind pfsense..

                      This is not that hard to pin down..

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                      • kaysersosaK
                        kaysersosa
                        last edited by

                        Sorry miss-understood what you were asking.

                        Network setup
                        ISP Modem -> Gig Switch -> Client PC / AP / etc

                        I hard-set 8.8.8.8 as the DNS on the Client under Network/Properties.

                        The client can now get to the internet.

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                        • kaysersosaK
                          kaysersosa
                          last edited by

                          So I should be good if I can get rid of the 127.0.0.1 on the pfSense router?

                          Dashboard page under DNS server(s) I see the following.

                          127.0.0.1
                          8.8.8.8
                          8.8.4.4

                          Where is this setting at?

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                          • kaysersosaK
                            kaysersosa
                            last edited by

                            Network setup
                            ISP Modem -> pfSense -> Gig Switch -> Client PC / AP / etc

                            Forgot to add the pfSense in earlier in the thread.

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by

                              If client is working fine using 8.8.8.8 then you have 2 choices troubleshoot why pfsense resolving is haivng a problem.

                              Or just turn off resolving mode and use forwarder mode and point to 8.8.8.8

                              No you are never going to want to remove loopback, that is pfsense asking itself.  If pfsense doesn't ask itself it will never be able to resolve any of your local host names.  And your clients your going to want to point back to pfsense once pfsense is just forwarding..

                              But pfsense should be able to just resolve..  So I would be more curious to why it can not resolve?

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                              • kaysersosaK
                                kaysersosa
                                last edited by

                                Just for your reference.  The ISP modem has 2 ports on it.  I have my pfSense router in one of the ports and my active DD-WRT router in the other.  DD-WRT is running my home network currently.

                                Ok, so I removed the hard-set 8.8.8.8 as the DNS on the Client under Network/Properties.  Then on pfSense under Services/DNS Resolver/General Settings - unchecked enable and saved/applied and thn on pfSense under Services/DNS Forwarder I checked enable and saved/applied.  No internet on the Client PC.

                                Are there any other settings required with the DNS Forwarder?  If not and you are willing to help I'm all for attempting to troubleshoot the DNS Resolver.

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                  last edited by

                                  If your using forwarder then it should be forwarding…  It should forward to your isp dns or what it gets via its wan..  Or what you put in the settings.

                                  You sure its running.. Validate that pfsense can resolve using the dns lookup...

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                                  • kaysersosaK
                                    kaysersosa
                                    last edited by

                                    DNS Lookup - see attached

                                    ipconfig /all  run on Client PC

                                    Ethernet adapter Ethernet:

                                    Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : localdomain
                                      Description . . . . . . . . . . . : This Qualcomm Atheros network Controller connects you to the network.
                                      Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : MACv4
                                      DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
                                      Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
                                      Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::940d:1541:4e1a:fb26%13(Preferred)
                                      IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 10.7.13.100(Preferred)
                                      Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.128
                                      Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Monday, May 7, 2018 2:31:05 PM
                                      Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Monday, May 7, 2018 4:31:05 PM
                                      Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.7.13.1
                                      DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.7.13.1
                                      DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 62676980
                                      DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : MACv6
                                      DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.7.13.1
                                      NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

                                    ![dns lookup.jpg](/public/imported_attachments/1/dns lookup.jpg)
                                    ![dns lookup.jpg_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/dns lookup.jpg_thumb)

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      Ok dude loopback didn't respond… So yeah that is PROBLEM..

                                      Also 600+ms for google to answer?  Yeah that is a problem..

                                      Are you on some sort of sat connection or something?  I would not think it possible for 8.8.8.8 to take that long to respond from anywhere on the planet with it being a anycast address and located in regions all over the planet.

                                      Here I just did a query to google... 11ms

                                      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
                                      www.google.com.        213    IN      A      172.217.1.36

                                      ;; Query time: 11 msec
                                      ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
                                      ;; WHEN: Mon May 07 15:00:48 Central Daylight Time 2018
                                      ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 59

                                      If you are seeing over 100ms to 8.8.8.8 I would say something is wrong.  You are seeing 600+ms..

                                      I can ping China from Chicago and get less than 300ms.. ;)

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                                      • kaysersosaK
                                        kaysersosa
                                        last edited by

                                        Yes, I was forced to use a satellite internet so I know response times suck.  First post in this thread has details on my ISP modem.

                                        Where to next?

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          Oh wow, not sure how I missed that ;)

                                          If your on SAT… your going to have to use their DNS... You are not going to be able to resolve or use other public dns... Use of the SAT isp dns is going to be your really only viable option..  Anything else is going to be horrible.

                                          And you sure can not resolve on such a high latency connection.

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                                          • kaysersosaK
                                            kaysersosa
                                            last edited by

                                            That would explain why my old pfSense configs wouldn't work, didn't have Sat internet for them.

                                            So what do I need to config on pfSense to get it working for Sat internet?

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