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    • DerelictD
      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
      last edited by

      Any router will keep your broadcast domains isolated, pfSense included.

      pfSense will not forward DECnet or LAT, since it is an IP firewall.

      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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        basilh @Derelict
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        @derelict Sounds like pfsense fits the bill perfectly. Thank you for the feedback.

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        • NogBadTheBadN
          NogBadTheBad
          last edited by NogBadTheBad

          pfSense doesn't support DECnet or LAT, look at an old Cisco on ebay with AUI & ethernet interfaces.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_Unit_Interface

          A Cisco 2514 would probally do it, if you can find the adaptors for 10BaseT & 10Base2.

          https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cisco-2500-Series-Model-2514-Dual-Serial-Ethernet-Token-Ring-Router/362248696857?epid=1104448365&hash=item5457b47419:g:ZTMAAMXQtRxSJLoe

          Andy

          1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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            basilh @NogBadTheBad
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            @nogbadthebad I actually don't need pfsense to support DECnet or LAT. As long as those protocols are kept to the thinnet side of the router, as @Derelict has suggested, it should work admirably.

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            • NogBadTheBadN
              NogBadTheBad @basilh
              last edited by NogBadTheBad

              @basilh said in Thinwire to UTP:

              @nogbadthebad I actually don't need pfsense to support DECnet or LAT. As long as those protocols are kept to the thinnet side of the router, as @Derelict has suggested, it should work admirably.

              Think you'll struggle to find a 10Base2 PCIE card, have a look here for supported cards:-

              http://www.si.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware/support.html

              Andy

              1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                basilh @NogBadTheBad
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                @nogbadthebad Haven't seen any PCIE on offer, but there's a 3Com PCI combo card that several sellers seem to be offering on ebay and tons of ISA cards. However, it's rare to find a motherboard that supports ISA so those cards are next to useless. I still have a motherboard that has PCI slots so there's a match there for me. Are there going to be any issues with drivers for pfsense? The card model is 3COM PCI 3C5900-COMBO ETHERLINK XL - RJ45 - AUI - BNC Card 03-0108-002 REV A.

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                  last edited by

                  I would personally look for an old ethernet hub with a 10Base2 port instead of a card. That way you can use a reasonably-modern NIC and let the old hub talk to the old gear.

                  Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                  A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                  DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                  Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                  • JKnottJ
                    JKnott
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                    You could use a 10 Mb hub. Many of them had a BNC connector. I have one of those hubs here. However, I don't understand why you'd use pfSense for this, as mentioned above, it doesn't support DecNET.

                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

                    I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      lol. beat you by like a second.

                      Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                      A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                      DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                      Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                      • NogBadTheBadN
                        NogBadTheBad @basilh
                        last edited by

                        @basilh said in Thinwire to UTP:

                        @nogbadthebad Haven't seen any PCIE on offer, but there's a 3Com PCI combo card that several sellers seem to be offering on ebay and tons of ISA cards. However, it's rare to find a motherboard that supports ISA so those cards are next to useless. I still have a motherboard that has PCI slots so there's a match there for me. Are there going to be any issues with drivers for pfsense? The card model is 3COM PCI 3C5900-COMBO ETHERLINK XL - RJ45 - AUI - BNC Card 03-0108-002 REV A.

                        You'd need to check the link I supplied, pfSense is based on FreeBSD.

                        Andy

                        1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                          basilh
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                          @Derelict @JKnott Am I missing something? As long as DECnet is isolated to the thinwire side, pfsense doesn't need to support it. I looked high and low for a hub with a bnc port and lucked out. Besides, a hub would allow both LAT and DECnet to flood the home network which is what I'm trying to avoid. If I need to play around with LAT or DECnet, I'll do so on the thinwire side, otherwise from the home network, I'll access a VAX using IP.

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                          • DerelictD
                            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                            last edited by

                            Yes, you are missing something.

                            Use a hub to bridge from the thinwire to 10BaseT. Connect 10BaseT to a modern NIC in pfSense. That way you don't have to try to get some old-ass card working in pfSense.

                            From a broadcast domain perspective nothing changes.

                            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                              basilh @Derelict
                              last edited by

                              @derelict Ahh. Gotcha. Good point. I'll have another look for a suitable hub.

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                                basilh @NogBadTheBad
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                                @nogbadthebad Thanks for the link. Have confirmed the BNC NIC I was interested in is not supported.

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                                  basilh
                                  last edited by basilh

                                  @Derelict @JKnott Thanks guys for setting me on the straight and narrow. I'll now hunt down a hub with a BNC port instead of BNC NIC, and I still get to use pfsense :)

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