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      sasa1
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      Hi, the ftp server that I try access support passive mode (and with filezilla I connect in passive mode), I still need to install the package FTP_Client_Proxy ?
      To these ftp servers, from clients that are not behind pfsense, I can log in with ms ftp client with success.
      Thanks.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by johnpoz

        Again the ftp client (ftp.exe) in windows only supports ACTIVE... If you want to use active on clients behind pfsense then you need to install that package..

        If your clients use passive then no you do not need the package... Understanding how ftp works is step 1 ;)
        http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
        Active FTP vs. Passive FTP, a Definitive Explanation

        That your still using ftp at all would be the question I would be asking yourself... It should of died off 10 years ago... Why can you not use sftp?

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          sasa1
          last edited by

          Hi,
          unfortunately, the ftp servers to which I have to connect are not managed by me, I use the client part.
          I attach image related to the error I have on the ftp client.
          The same connection, from the same ftp client to the same ftp server, from a PC that is not behind pfsense works well.
          Thanks.0_1548865469169_ftp4.JPG

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by johnpoz

            Dude how dense can you be?? the ftp.exe in pfsense does NOT support passive... If you want to use active ftp client behind pfsense you need to install the ftp package!!

            They might have a passive cmd - IT DOESNT WORK!!! windows ftp.exe ONLY supports active!!!

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              sasa1
              last edited by

              Hi,
              so an ftp client that is behind pfsense and needs to access an ftp server that only supports passive mode, will it never work?
              did I get it right ?
              Thanks.

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              • stephenw10S
                stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                last edited by stephenw10

                No.
                Passive FTP will work fine with the client behind pfSense without the proxy package.
                Active FTP requires the client proxy package.

                Since the Windows ftp client apparently only supports active mode you need the client proxy package.

                https://www.netgate.com/docs/pfsense/nat/ftp-without-a-proxy.html#client-behind-pfsense

                But are you sure those servers don't support encrypted mode? If they do you just switch to that.

                Steve

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by johnpoz

                  So which is it you do not read english, or your trolling... Have been over this multiple times now!!

                  Please what part is unclear here

                  Again the ftp client (ftp.exe) in windows only supports ACTIVE... If you want to use active on clients behind pfsense then you need to install that package..

                  If your clients use passive then no you do not need the package...

                  And before that how can this be clearer

                  ms ftp client only supports active mode. If you want to use active mode ftp with client behind pfsense to ftp server outside pfsense you need to install the ftp package and configure it. Its called FTP_Client_Proxy in the packages.

                  Your ftp.exe command tells the server hey lets do passive - and the server answers back ok, lets do passive - connect here on this port... The problem is the ftp.exe from windows will not do passive... You have to use the ftp package in pfsense to allow for active connections from clients behind pfsense because the firewall needs to open the port back to the client..

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                    sasa1
                    last edited by

                    Hi,
                    it does not work either in active or passive mode.
                    I installed the ftp proxy package and I indicated the LAN as an interface to be used (I have not modified any other parameter) but also in this way I always have the same problem.

                    I'm sorry if I did not understand what you told me but I can not understand where I'm wrong.
                    Thanks.

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by stephenw10

                      If you set 'Log Connections' in the proxy settings do you see firewall log entries for it?

                      Do you see blocked traffic from the FTP server?

                      You might try using a different FTP client as a test here such as Filezilla. That will show you exactly what it's doing.

                      Steve

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by johnpoz

                        is the checkbox set to move it up the higher on the rules?

                        Here just tested this

                        C:\WINDOWS\system32>ftp speedtest.tele2.net
                        Connected to speedtest.tele2.net.
                        220 (vsFTPd 2.3.5)
                        200 Always in UTF8 mode.
                        User (speedtest.tele2.net:(none)): anonymous
                        331 Please specify the password.
                        Password:
                        230 Login successful.
                        ftp> ls
                        200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
                        150 Here comes the directory listing.
                        1000GB.zip
                        100GB.zip
                        100KB.zip
                        100MB.zip
                        10GB.zip
                        10MB.zip
                        1GB.zip
                        1KB.zip
                        1MB.zip
                        200MB.zip
                        20MB.zip
                        2MB.zip
                        3MB.zip
                        500MB.zip
                        50MB.zip
                        512KB.zip
                        5MB.zip
                        upload
                        226 Directory send OK.
                        ftp: 183 bytes received in 0.02Seconds 11.44Kbytes/sec.
                        ftp>
                        

                        active works just fine with windows ftp client behind pfsense..

                        You can see where its allowed through the firewall with these rules

                         	Jan 30 12:28:54 	► LAN 	(@0) 	90.130.70.73:20		192.168.9.100:55659		TCP:S
                        	Jan 30 12:28:54 	WAN 	(@0) 	90.130.70.73:20		192.168.9.100:55659		TCP:S 
                        

                        Here doing it again with sniff..
                        0_1548873396618_controlanddatasniff.png

                        Notice the port command sent is my machine rfc1918 IP, the ftp client changes that to my public IP, and if you do the math on the command (217*256)+148 = 55700 which is the port the data channel is sent to..

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                          sasa1 @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10
                          Trace: CControlSocket::SendNextCommand()
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::Send() in state 0
                          Stato: Risoluzione dell'indirizzo IP x.y.eu in corso
                          Stato: Connessione a x.x.x.x:21...
                          Stato: Connessione stabilita, in attesa del messaggio di benvenuto...
                          Trace: CFtpControlSocket::OnReceive()
                          Risposta: 220 Microsoft FTP Service
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::ParseResponse() in state 1
                          Trace: CControlSocket::SendNextCommand()
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::Send() in state 5
                          Comando: USER pippo
                          Trace: CFtpControlSocket::OnReceive()
                          Risposta: 331 Password required
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::ParseResponse() in state 5
                          Trace: CControlSocket::SendNextCommand()
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::Send() in state 5
                          Comando: PASS **********
                          Trace: CFtpControlSocket::OnReceive()
                          Risposta: 230 User logged in.
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::ParseResponse() in state 5
                          Trace: CControlSocket::SendNextCommand()
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::Send() in state 9
                          Comando: OPTS UTF8 ON
                          Trace: CFtpControlSocket::OnReceive()
                          Risposta: 200 OPTS UTF8 command successful - UTF8 encoding now ON.
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::ParseResponse() in state 9
                          Stato: Accesso effettuato
                          Trace: Measured latency of 5 ms
                          Trace: CFtpControlSocket::ResetOperation(0)
                          Trace: CControlSocket::ResetOperation(0)
                          Trace: CFtpLogonOpData::Reset(0) in state 14

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                            sasa1 @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz I do not work, when I run "ls" I have the error message that I attach0_1548873937691_ftp error.JPG

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by johnpoz

                              I don't see any port or pasv command sent in that log... Just sniff on the wan and lan of pfsense while you doing this so you can validate what is happening... ftp control is in the clear so as you see above you can see exactly what is sent by the client in the control channel. If when you sniff on the wan side you will see the ftp package change your port command to your actual public IP

                              Is pfsense behind a NAT? Not going to work if behind a NAT..

                              Is the wan of pfsense on a public IP? Sniff while you do that test of ftp to speedtest.tele2.net

                              So we can see exactly what is happening.

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                                sasa1
                                last edited by

                                yes, the computer is behind a NAT, it has a private IP address.

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                  last edited by

                                  NO pfsense is its wan a rfc1918 or the is it public?

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                                    sasa1 @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz on pfsense I have wan interface e lan interface, on wan interface I have an public IP address.

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by

                                      Like I said do a simple sniff.. And you can see exactly what is going on..

                                      Here sniff (diag, packet capture on my wan) you can see my login on port 21... See where the PORT command gets changed to my public IP..

                                      0_1548874506740_sniffonwan.png

                                      Then here comes the data connection to the port in the the port command

                                      0_1548874537590_datasniffonwan.png

                                      (200*256)+175 = port 51375

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                                        sasa1 @johnpoz
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                                          sasa1 @johnpoz
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                                          @johnpoz sorry I do not know how to capture the really useful information, in the figure I sent I deleted the private IP address that is shown in the capture0_1548881523155_Cattura.JPG

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                            last edited by johnpoz

                                            Dude are you hiding a 10.x.x.x address? Why??? They are private and do not route on the internet... That info is useless to anyone knowing what it is.. Its like telling you I live in the US.. or the planet Earth.. Notice how I didn't hide my 192.168.9.100 address ;) You can capture the info right on pfsense.. diagnostic menu packet capture.

                                            Do the capture on your WAN interface so we can validate its getting changed to your public wan IP.. Then just download the capture and open with wireshark.

                                            In wireshark just right click on say the syn of the control channel and say follow stream.

                                            BTW, I am a mod so I can see your deleted post ;) There is ZERO reason to hide 10.0.0.18.. You need to validate that gets changed on your WAN.. This is why you need to do the sniff on the WAN of pfsense to validate your ftp package is working.

                                            here
                                            0_1548883707284_packetcapture.png

                                            Then download and open with wireshark
                                            0_1548883729585_openwithwire.png

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