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    Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN

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        jahonix @Luc1231122
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        @lucndevr said in Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN:

        a software company and there's no real network operator

        What, are you kidding? A software company and no-one who cares about the infrastructure?
        That's like Nascar racing without someone who prepared the track beforehand...

        @lucndevr said in Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN:

        what they do now is for every public ip these use a different firewall

        So you have a lot of separate networks at the moment, right?
        Are those DSL or fiber lines that arrive at your door and each with its own, single public IP?

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          jahonix @Luc1231122
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          @lucndevr said in Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN:

          my trainer said he wanted the public ip linked to a network not a single host

          What does he mean?
          Do your clients use this internet connection only for outgoing traffic or do they have own servers that need to be reached at the public IP from the outside (aka internet)? Like their own web or e-Mail server.

          If they need outgoing traffic only then it's easy to set each ISP connection as gateway for the specific client network.
          You could describe this as "public IP linked to a network" but it's more the other way round.

          If they have servers on-premise that need to be reached from the internet then your trainer's demand is wrong. You cannot link an IP to a network (aka multiple devices) for incoming traffic. You can only forward traffic from public IP 1.2.3.4 to one server at a local IP address. Like one web server.

          What do they want to gain with a single firewall and a couple of completely separated networks?
          And how many ISP links will there be in total?

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              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              Seems like the blind leading the blind here...

              You do understand you could do a whole subnet with 1:1 nat right??

              So pubicIP 1.2.3.X would be mapped to rfc1918.X
              publicIP.Y would go to rfc1918.Y
              publicIP.Z would go to rfc1918.Z

              If your trainer thinks you can see traffic to port 80 to publicIP 1.2.3.4 on pfsense wan and send that to ALL rfc1918 behind.. It doesn't work that way!!!

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                jahonix @Luc1231122
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                @lucndevr said in Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN:

                There is 1 ISP with a series of public IPs and they want to be reached from outside.

                • How many IPs/connections are we talking about?

                • Specify "want to be reached from outside" - what's the plan?

                • what kind of service do you get/have: DSL, fiber, LTE, ...

                • what's the bandwidth for each ISP link?

                How often do your clients/tenants/whatever change? Will this be on a, say, monthly/yearly basis or is the plan for a longer stay? There are multiple ways to configure this. Just trying to find the one that fits your demands best.

                PS: obviously, we are happy to help. We just need some info to work with. Throwing pieces of information at us or not answering questions at all raises frustration for everyone who volunteers with your problem.

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                  Luc1231122
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                  I got the 1:1 NAT working with public ip's
                  but is it possible to have the domain controller in a different subnet I need it to authenticate HV4 and HV3. see attachment

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                    jahonix
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                    @luc1231122 Is that regular behaviour in 2019 - demanding information but not giving answers? Instead posting an (incomplete at best) graphic and asking unrelated questions. Wow!

                    @luc1231122 said in Does anyone have a link to a good site for Multi WAN:

                    ...domain controller in a different subnet...

                    Why a different subnet? Aren't they all in 172.16.0.0 /16 ? 😇

                    Just a quick look at your diagram:
                    172.16.16.2 is double
                    172.16.17.131 is double or whatever you wanted to show
                    FA/1 is double (whatever FA/1 & FA/2 are)
                    FA/2 is missing
                    IPv6 is missing completely in the diagram (but is allowed by FW rules!?)
                    ...

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                      Luc1231122 @jahonix
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                      @jahonix Yeah sorry but some questions I do not have the answers.

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                        Luc1231122 @jahonix
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                        @jahonix
                        we got 1 ISP

                        I do not know what I have to port forward

                        We got DSL

                        I think they are all around 90mbps

                        I used subnetmask /24

                        And I re uploaded the diagram hopes it makes anymore more sense now

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                          I am just wondering do these 2 routers need to have a static route between each other?0_1552552488017_d66d7016-ab79-41f6-967c-6647063306fb-image.png

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                            Now we have another firewall in the mix? Why?

                            No that diagram makes no sense at all.. There is no masks on the diagram, So your using /24

                            So you have network 172.16.16/24 and 172.16.17/24

                            So you have managment port of pfsense on 17.4 and then another interface on 17.131? So a VIP? You can not put address in the same network on multiple ports.. Pfsense won't let you do that even.

                            And what the hell is untangle doing out there? Doing Nat to what? That is another internet connection? Your not trying to use untangle with the freaking arp spoofing/poisoning shit it does?? OMG!!

                            How are you people touching anyone's network in the first place???

                            If your going to connect two routers, you would use a transit network... And then yes there would need to be routes between the networks.. If your throwing that untangle POS into your network with its arp nonsense it does... Good freaking luck to you - go have fun over on their forums.

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                              And remember: this is for a software company which is also serving internet to clients.
                              The one person responsible for that backbone is a trainee. Really respect what you do, Luc. But your trainer, the CEO and the (obviously not available) operations or network manager should get a serious slap!

                              Best advise: hire someone who has done this kind of work before, who knows what he's doing and learn from him.
                              All you, as a trainee, can do is come up with a tinkered solution which might work in parts. It surely is not a system engineered for safety and performance, let alone for commercial use.

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                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                Yeah no offense to the trainee guy... But come on!!

                                More than happy to help you... But there needs to be some common ground of knowledge and exchange of information... Can not help you with your calculus problem when you don't understand addition and subtraction ;)

                                More than happy to help you get there... But seems like this is a complete mess, and they expect you to fix it? Who designed the setup in the first place? What was there before, why is pfsense and untangle being used together.. Was the untangle box there and your trying to replace it with pfsense, was pfsense there and your wanting to add untangle?

                                How were they connected to the internet before, etc. etc.

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                                  @johnpoz

                                  Sorry .131 is the management port for the hyper-v its incorrect and I should remove it from the diagram because its not connected to pfsense.
                                  The untangle router is the current router with his own incoming wan interface.

                                  the network is for the company which I have my internship.
                                  and he wants me to make a new / integrate network.
                                  And we probably gonna replace untangle.

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                                    I know it's a mess and I am doing probably a lot wrong and you guys should not be my teachers my trainer should be, I am just trying to learn.
                                    I mean if you really do not feel like helping me you can. I hope I do not come over unappreciative.

                                    Also want to give as much information as I can but neither my trainer or I have enough knowledge.

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                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                      More than happy to help you but as mentioned by Jahonix, it can get frustrating running around in circles and having to pull teeth with a pair of tweezers to get any actual info.

                                      I will give you some advice right up front - an accurate drawing is going to be your best friend, and will instantly allow anyone in the field to understand what is going on.

                                      So lets work on detailed an accurate drawing and work from there...

                                      What are the rules fa/1 and fa/2, those are pfsense - but looks like your interface on pfsense are hn1 and hn2?

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                                        I am making one at the moment and do you mean a drawing of the current network or the one I would want to create?

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                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                          Lets have the CURRENT network!!! As it currently is, and then can work towards what you want.. And can go over what if that even makes sense.

                                          Why does the hv3 have 2 public ips? What is being served on this box? But it has only 1 private IP?

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                                            I probably should ask more what to current network looks like but he does not really know himself.
                                            This is what he drawed for me. the current setup is really really weird at least I do not understand why they made it like this.

                                            But what he wants is separate networks for the clients and the the Hyper-visors need their own public IP but he also still want access to the Hyper-visors not sure if he can have access internally to the hyper-visors if he also does not want them on the same subnet. hope that this make's sense?

                                            He said that he use so many untangle NAT because he did not know how to give out mutiple public ip's from one router.
                                            but he wants to use pfsense and have one firewall/router do everything.

                                            (I am probably using the wrong terms here and there and not understanding what I am actually saying and I am sorry for that I am a newbie to this)

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