New User to pfSense - some doubts
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
Can you let me know if you STILL believe these rules are in error?
An any any rule on your wan is NEVER going to be a good thing to be honest.. be it you lock down the source in some way or not..
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For anyone who comes to this thread later......
At least in pfsense 2.4.4, here is how you can look at your pfSenseBlockerNG files and see ALL the IP addresses in any given file....
In the WebConfiguration console, go to --> DIAGNOSTICS --> EDIT FILES
There you get a graphical Directory listing of the entire PfSense system (it's a Linux system)
The pfb_NAmerica file for example is located here.....(click on it and it will open in a text editor)
/var/db/pfblockerng/original/pfB_NAmerica_v4.orig
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
Can you let me know if you STILL believe these rules are in error?
An any any rule on your wan is NEVER going to be a good thing to be honest.. be it you lock down the source in some way or not..
I agree....
So are you also agreeing that pfSenseBlockerNG has incorrectly configured their settings?
Because once again, what you see in the diagram above is created during the install of pfsenseblockNG and I did not configure those rules.
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Yes, you should change those rules.
As I said, if I were doing it I would set pfBlocker to create aliases only, not add rules. Then add the rules I need separately using those aliases.
pfBlocker only does what you configure it to do and looks like you configured it so add inbound pass rules. That is almost certainly not what you wanted. At least not without a destination/port.
Steve
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
So are you also agreeing that pfSenseBlockerNG has incorrectly configured their settings?
NO!!! I just ran through the wizard and it didn't create single rule on my WAN!!
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There seems to be some confusion floating here, so I'm posting a screen shot of the rule that everal keep saying I need to change.
Here is the configuration for the rule in question for pfSenseBlockerNG.
As you can see, it is not like a regular rule configuration screen and does not allow for the changes being suggested.....
There is nowhere to change PORTS....and the destination could be changed to the IP of the server but I get an error when I make that change.
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There is no ports option as you have Protocol set to Any, that needs to be set to TCP/UDP or one of them to see ports. For example ESP, ICMP and AH protocols do not have ports.
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
So are you also agreeing that pfSenseBlockerNG has incorrectly configured their settings?
NO!!! I just ran through the wizard and it didn't create single rule on my WAN!!
Really ????
I didn't create those rules. Honest.
I wonder if it's because our configurations are different? Are you running a server behind your pfSense?
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@conor said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
There is no ports option as you have Protocol set to Any, that needs to be set to TCP/UDP or one of them to see ports. For example ESP, ICMP and AH protocols do not have ports.
Ah!
ok.It's a mystery then why those rules were created like that?
I DID NOT create those rules and thought they were just part of the pfSenseBlockerNG setup.
Good thing my server is still behind my WG Firebox at the moment and not the pfSense firewall.
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
I wonder if it's because our configurations are different? Are you running a server behind your pfSense?
What version pfsense are you running?Yes I have ports forwarded, I run ntp server to the world via ntp pool.. I have friends and family access to my plex server.
As to what version of pfsense I run - its in my signature.. And yes I would be running current, as any sane person should be.
That you think an any any rule is ok on your wan - even IF some tool created it.. Is just beyond nuts...
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They are created by pfBlocker but only because of how it's configured.
pfBlocker can create firewall rules but does not have to. It depends what you have set the list action to.
Typically it is set to add block rules to prevent LAN side clients reaching out to, for example, known malware sites.
However I recommend setting the list action to Native Alias only and then using those aliases in rules you add yourself.
Also worth noting the pfBlocker setup wizard is only in the dev version I believe.
Steve
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While the wizard might be only in dev... The older version doesn't create rules like that without being told to do it..
You don't install any version of pfblocker and next thing without doing anything have any any rules on your wan... That would be insane!!
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
While the wizard might be only in dev... The older version doesn't create rules like that without being told to do it..
You don't install any version of pfblocker and next thing without doing anything have any any rules on your wan... That would be insane!!
ok ok...I'm probably not insane (or nuts). and no, I do not think ANY rule is "ok". Not sure where you assumed that. Just not familiar with pfsense and pfSenseBlockerNG. Day 3 with pfSense so I can't possibly know everything about how it and the blocker works under the hood. I thought it was some kind of fancy proxying of the lists and DNS manipulation.
I did check with my cell phone and no access was granted to any unauthorized part of the network so no harm done.
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
I do not think ANY rule is "ok". Not sure where you assumed that
Because you had them on your wan ;) And then asked if they were ok...
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
I do not think ANY rule is "ok". Not sure where you assumed that
Because you had them on your wan ;) And then asked if they were ok...
Well think about it.....
If I was "insane" or "nuts", I probably wouldn't have even asked.
Let's not beat up the noobs just because they are not totally familiar with pfsense yet and don't know right off the bat if automated configurations that they didn't put there are legit or not (even if they look odd)
Thanks for all the great advice everyone !
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Where exactly are you seeing that rule that doesn't allow you dest port in it.. What version of pfblocker are you running the older or dev version?
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
Where exactly are you seeing that rule that doesn't allow you dest port in it.. What version of pfblocker are you running the older or dev version?
by the time I reply, you will probably have discovered that that was answered above
as for the pfBlocker version.....3 days in, so I downloaded it probably yesterday. latest, I assume ?
Let me check and see if I can find that version.....
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
pfSenseBlockerNG
what version does it say.. that tells me not the old one... But maybe you have not updated your packages? Can not tell if you mean non dev or dev version.
its listed right in your package manager
example
pfBlockerNG-devel 2.2.5_22there should be really screaming red flags on the pfblocker gui that its going to create an any any rule.. If that is what its doing.
Where exactly did you go in pfblocker to create said rule.
Paging @BBcan177 if pfblocker creates any any rules on the wan without huge warnings to the user.. That really should be changed..
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@johnpoz said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
pfSenseBlockerNG
what version does it say.. that tells me not the old one... But maybe you have not updated your packages? Can not tell if you mean non dev or dev version.
its listed right in your package manager
example
pfBlockerNG-devel 2.2.5_22there should be really screaming red flags on the pfblocker gui that its going to create an any any rule.. If that is what its doing.
Where exactly did you go in pfblocker to create said rule.
Paging @BBcan177 if pfblocker creates any any rules on the wan without huge warnings to the user.. That really should be changed..
pfBlockerNG net 2.1.4_16
Agreed. Unless......that rule doesn't actually give said access.
Let's hope the developer will reply regardless of the outcome.I KNOW I didn't create those rules intentionally.....but maybe they got created some how that I'm not aware of other than by pfBlockerNG ?
My gut feeling is that they were created intentionally and do not allow the access it appears.
That said...I've changed them all as suggested.....to be safe. (And I have not yet reconnected pfsense, still using WG)And as mentioned, I DID CHECK WITH MY CELL PHONE and was not able to find any compromised connections.
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@HansSolo said in New User to pfSense - some doubts:
Agreed. Unless......that rule doesn't actually give said access.
It DOES!! since its a rule on your WAN...
