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    What is the difference between pfsense netgate appliance ( software base ) and pfsense open source install on your PC

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      chinoynoy @KOM
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      @KOM thanks. How about the pfsense software itself? is there any difference? The features and functions

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      • GertjanG Offline
        Gertjan
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        Close to none - or nothing at all.

        pfSense running on some PC-look-alike downloaded from here or a dedicated device like these is identical.

        I'm using using an old recycled office desktop PC - some 10 years old.
        Cons : Uses 5 times more power as a dedicated device like this.
        Pros : I have 2 other PC's like this on stock, so when it finally breaks, I'll be back online within one hour - no other delays or costs. These type of PC's can be found by the millions on the surface of earth, just add a NIC with at least one extra Ethernet port.

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        Edit : and where are the logs ??

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        • stephenw10S Offline
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by stephenw10

          Yeah, the differences are small in terms of the software. There are some packages available in factory that are not available in CE, AWS Wizard, IPSec profile exporter. You can do those things manually anyway it's just much easier via the packages.
          We are able to tune the factory images in some ways as we know what hardware they are running on. The CE images have to be compatible with everything.
          But mostly by buying hardware from us you are funding development and you can be sure future versions will be compatible as we test that on all our hardware before release.

          Steve

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            chinoynoy @stephenw10
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            Hi @stephenw10, thanks for you response. I decided to purchase netgate pfsense router. What model should i buy? We have 3 offices in different locations in our country. Our main office has a 35 computers and 2 data servers. Our 2 branches offices has the same 4 computers and 1 data server. And we have also android tab clients for every offices that are running into remote areas. We would like to connect them into 1 network using VPN IPSEC. Hope you could help us. Thanks and more power 👌

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            • kiokomanK Offline
              kiokoman LAYER 8
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              https://www.netgate.com/blog/choosing-the-right-netgate-appliance.html
              if i can make a suggestion
              i think that the sg-3100 will suffice for your 2 branches offices
              I would consider putting an SG-5100 in your main office

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              • RicoR Offline
                Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
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                3x SG-5100 😍

                -Rico

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                • kiokomanK Offline
                  kiokoman LAYER 8
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                  yeah if budget is not a problem i will go with 3 x SG-5100 myself 😂

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                  • stephenw10S Offline
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                    What bandwidth do you have available at each site? What bandwidth do you need between sites?

                    Steve

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                    • GertjanG Offline
                      Gertjan
                      last edited by Gertjan

                      ..... exact. If the bandwidth is far less then 1 Gbs, a SG-1100 will do.
                      Edit : for the 2 branches offices.

                      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                      • kiokomanK Offline
                        kiokoman LAYER 8
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                        uhm it could become a bottleneck with only 1gb ram, personally i would suggest the sg-1100 only for home or small environment where there is no need for extra packages
                        plus the sg-3100 have four-port 1 gbps Marvell 88E6141 switch, uplinked at 2.5 gbps
                        if you think that the business can grow in time (and we hope so) it would be more efficient to buy at least the sg-3100
                        better to have more than less, but this is only my 2 cents

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                          chinoynoy @stephenw10
                          last edited by chinoynoy

                          @stephenw10 we have fiber optic connection with 50Mbps in the main office and 20Mbps each for the 2 branches

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                            chinoynoy @kiokoman
                            last edited by chinoynoy

                            @kiokoman sg 3100 for 2 branches and sg 5100 for the main office is a good idea. Thanks bro. But i would like to here also what @stephenw10 steve suggestion 😁

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                              chinoynoy @kiokoman
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                              @kiokoman you mention the RAM. if i will build a pc for my pfsense, what specs do you suggest? Thanks

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                                kiokoman LAYER 8
                                last edited by kiokoman

                                personally i'm in love with netgate products, we are talking about freebsd here, compatibility and stability are important, you won't be able to build yourself something better with less money then the sg3100/sg5100 , any i3 / i5 can do what you want, even older pc but do you realy want to use something unreliable/you don't know if it's 100% compatible to your business? power consumption and warranty is also something to take in mind if it's on 24/24/365
                                It could be only my perception but if you take a look at the forum people have alot more trouble (that could be easily fixable or not) from VM or assembled machine vs netgate product

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                                  @kiokoman said in What is the difference between pfsense netgate appliance ( software base ) and pfsense open source install on your PC:

                                  you won't be able to build yourself something better with less money then the sg3100/sg5100

                                  What about the J1900? They appear to be cheaper than the SG3100.

                                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                  I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                    kiokoman LAYER 8
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                                    if you think that building something based on the j1900 is better
                                    to me they fall to something unreliable/you don't know if it's 100% compatible
                                    there are also that famous chinese crap that they sell on amazon if you want to spend less money
                                    personally i will never put something not officially supported in a business environment if i can avoid it and if i don't have the time to track down possible problem/incompatibility. but if people like to be a guinea pig .. be my guest. i have nothing more to add, i won't start a flame a la playstation vs xbox. let him decide what is best for his business based on what @stephenw10 will officially suggest

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                                      chinoynoy @kiokoman
                                      last edited by chinoynoy

                                      @kiokoman i completely agree with you. I want the sg 3100 and 5100. Thank you so much bro. But i want also to hear what @stephenw10 thinks, or suggest.

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                                      • stephenw10S Offline
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        For a 20Mbps connection with 4 computers behind it the SG-1100 is ideal. It can easily do 20Mbps of VPN traffic assuming the connection latency and packet size etc will allow it.
                                        You could probably also use that at the main office but I would probably go to an SG-3100 there to be safe or if you ever wanted to use additional packages.
                                        The SG-5100 is probably overkill at any of those locations unless you think the available connection bandwidth will increase any time soon.

                                        Steve

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                                          JKnott @kiokoman
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                                          @kiokoman said in What is the difference between pfsense netgate appliance ( software base ) and pfsense open source install on your PC:

                                          if you think that building something based on the j1900 is better
                                          to me they fall to something unreliable/you don't know if it's 100% compatible

                                          They run PC software, just like the refurb HP desktop I'm using now.

                                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                            JKnott @stephenw10
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                                            @stephenw10 said in What is the difference between pfsense netgate appliance ( software base ) and pfsense open source install on your PC:

                                            For a 20Mbps connection with 4 computers behind it the SG-1100 is ideal.

                                            20 Mb is getting a tad slow these days. My own connection is 75 Mb (actually over 90) and a friend has 300.

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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