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    • uxmU
      uxm @johnpoz
      last edited by uxm

      @johnpoz My Asus AC68U is a modem/router. So I use it as my ISP modem and then as a router. I dont know if I can use it as AP only (and not losing the routing operations of this device). I dont have a separate ISP modem. Also, my hyper-v host has 2 nics.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        Then you have the wrong model number posted, a RT-AC68U is not a gateway device. The ac68u is a very common "router" only device.. Good reason to make sure post exact modem number ;) heheheh

        You have a DSL-AC68U?

        if your device is a gateway, then no you can not.. You would need to get a different modem or AP.. So you can separate the functionality of your modem and your AP.

        Once you can sep the functions - then yeah its very easy to put everything behind pfsense - even your wifi... What I would suggest is get a real AP, vs modem and using your current device as just AP... Say a unifi AP that supports vlans - this will allow you to create multiple segments for wifi, as long as you have a vlan capable switch - which I assume you do since you call out vlans in your drawing - what is the exact model of this netgear?

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        • uxmU
          uxm @johnpoz
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          @johnpoz oh man! sorry. :) Yes, I have a DSL-AC68U. My netgear switch is a GS108T. So I think I might keep Asus as a modem and the buy a Unifi AP (Im watching videos right now, for the AirCube ACB-AC) and separate my wifi and put it behind pfSense right?

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          • kiokomanK
            kiokoman LAYER 8
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            yup, exactly as i said, it 's the best solution, this way you can place the access point in a better position

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
              last edited by johnpoz

              @uxm said in pfSense on Hyper-V Home Setup questions.:

              AirCube ACB-AC

              No that is not what you would want... That is airmax... If you want something you just set on a table or something you prob want the https://store.ui.com/collections/wireless/products/unifi-flexhd

              Why can you not just get a normal AP that is mounted?
              This is more what you would setup in a home as your AP
              https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ac/

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              • kiokomanK
                kiokoman LAYER 8
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                @uxm said in pfSense on Hyper-V Home Setup questions.:

                AirCube ACB-AC

                did pay attention to this, yeah, listen to johnpoz

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                  last edited by johnpoz

                  Yeah not sure what video's he is watching... But that is not wifi AP you would use in a home setup..

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                  • uxmU
                    uxm @johnpoz
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                    @johnpoz sorry I didnt know that Aircube is for costumers deoloyment. I think I will go for the Unifi AP-AC as you said.

                    Can I ask one more question? Should the virtual switches on my pfSense be internal and external? How will I be able to manage it? From the host itself or a VM? I thing my physical workstation will not be able to access it, right?

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      You would manage esxi host via the vmkern, which would be on your lan network..

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                      • uxmU
                        uxm @johnpoz
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                        @johnpoz I dont have VMware esxi installed

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          Sorry hyper-V just admin it from the lan side

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                          • uxmU
                            uxm @johnpoz
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                            @johnpoz that was my question/statement. That I cant admin it from lan side by a physical pc if the pfsense vm connects to an internal (hyperv) virtual switch. :(

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                            • johnpozJ
                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                              last edited by johnpoz

                              You do understand pfsense can have multiple lan side interfaces right, and VM switches can be tied to physical network a well.. Maybe your issue is you don't actually get how VM Hosts work?

                              Your drawing is tied to both physical and virtual networks - so not sure why your confused?

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                              • uxmU
                                uxm
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                                I know how Hyper-V works..The actual reason that I am confused, is that I can't ping pfsense from my physical PC nor I can admin it.

                                Physical PC : 192.168.2.108
                                Pfsense Internal side : 192.168.2.10

                                both on the same LAN/VLAN.

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                                • johnpozJ
                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                  Well then you have something setup wrong. Or not connected how you think its connected, etc.

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                                  • uxmU
                                    uxm @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz Yeah I guess so. I will try to find the reason. There is no reason to bother you with that kind of questions but I will come back if I cant make it work.

                                    Thank you ALL for your precious help! This community seems to be totally ALIVE!

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                                    • provelsP
                                      provels
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                                      For this, both your LAN and WAN switches should be External.

                                      Private - allows VM to VM comms
                                      Internal - allows VM to VM comms plus comms to Host
                                      External - As above, plus outside world

                                      On the LAN v-switch, you can select the sharing checkbox below (I don't on mine because i have a 4-port NIC where I assign the host a port of its own). Then you can manage the VM from the host OS.
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                                      I just run a flat network with no VLANs. I don't really see the point in a home setup, just more complexity.

                                      Internet--Modem--Host--pfSense--Switches--Access Points--Clients

                                      Only reason I'd use a VLAN would be it I was trying to use a single NIC board as a pfSense hardware firewall (Router-on-a-stick). You could use your Asus as an AP by just plugging one of the LAN (not WAN) ports into your network as long as the LAN side is configured as the same network as the rest of your LAN, but you'd still need to buy a modem. HTH

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                                      • johnpozJ
                                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                        last edited by johnpoz

                                        @provels said in pfSense on Hyper-V Home Setup questions.:

                                        I don't really see the point in a home setup, just more complexity.

                                        Do you have more things on this flat network than just your PC or a couple of devices - iot, stuff that is serving up to the internet, etc.. You would use vlans or other network segments as a means to secure your network..

                                        He doesn't need a modem - he needs an AP he can use his current device as just the modem and turn off its wifi.. Or use it as well as different non filtered wifi network that is on the "wan" side of pfsense.

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                                        • provelsP
                                          provels @johnpoz
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                                          @johnpoz No IoT, even though my refrigerator and dishwasher could talk to the world if I desired it. No Alexa or other because I would want an always-on mic in my house..., why? I have no desire to talk to any device unless it is a phone and there is a live body on the other end. Several network receivers, couple phones, Hyper-V host that is also my main workstation with pfSense and several other workstation OS, smart TV, and a lappy for RDP. I even run G wireless with MAC filtering and hidden SSIDs (the horror!) And it's just me, so.... no need for guest nets. And no FB or Twitter even, because that is just largely the toilet of the Internet. anyway. So there.

                                          Agreed, I know he doesn't need a modem, but he will have to buy something to do what he wants. Frankly I'd just ditch the gateway on EBay and buy discreet components. Kind of depends how many of his clients are in use simultaneously as well.

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                                          • johnpozJ
                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                                            @provels said in pfSense on Hyper-V Home Setup questions.:

                                            I even run G wireless with MAC filtering and hidden SSIDs

                                            Because that is pointless ;) And you like added pain for no reason?

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