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    SMB - Windows share over vlans

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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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      Do you allow smb on the firewall rule? Do the windows server firewall allow that vlan network?

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        solaris81
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        Within pfsense, both vlans have no firewall rules other than access to any any on IPv4..

        The Windows firewall is disabled. As well as all Antivirus.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          Can you ping the IP?

          What does the error you get exactly? Failed to auth, couldn't find host... Your not routing traffic out a vpn on your pfsense are you?

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            solaris81
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            No VPN is involved here.

            I am able to ping back and forth and do successful trace route. I don't get an errors at all, it just times out. No authentication is needed, this share is open to Everyone.

            When both devices are on the same network, I simply put in the IP and it goes straight through and I can access the test folder.

            If devices are on different networks, I put in the IP, and it just tries and tries, but never gets a connection.

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              mcury Rebel Alliance @solaris81
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              @solaris81 Does that SMB server have two NICs?
              It's possible that you don't have a return route to the correct NIC, packet could be going through your default route.

              dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                Yeah does the server point to pfsense as it gateway?

                I would suggest is sniff on pfsense on the interface on the server network -- do you see the smb traffic going to the server?

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                  solaris81 @mcury
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                  @mcury said in SMB - Windows share over vlans:

                  @solaris81 Does that SMB server have two NICs?
                  It's possible that you don't have a return route to the correct NIC, packet could be going through your default route.

                  Only one NIC involved

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                    mcury Rebel Alliance @solaris81
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                    @solaris81 So return traffic shouldn't be a problem, unless you SMB server doesn't have a default gateway configured.
                    It's better to sniff as john suggested.

                    dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                      solaris81 @mcury
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                      @mcury said in SMB - Windows share over vlans:

                      @solaris81 Does that SMB server have two NICs?
                      It's possible that you don't have a return route to the correct NIC, packet could be going through your default route.

                      The server points to its own gateway, the 10.0.0.1 address. Diff from LAN

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                        mcury Rebel Alliance @solaris81
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                        @solaris81 So probably nothing related to return traffic.
                        Check if the packets from the other network are hitting the server, you should sniff as john suggested.
                        You could do it using tcpdump, wireshark, also pfsense packet capture to confirm if it's delivering the packets to the server.

                        dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                          last edited by johnpoz

                          So here are 2 different examples...

                          First is me hitting a box where smb not running the 2.11 and it telling me to F off with RST..
                          Second is me accessing my nas via vpn connection and you can see the smb connecting..

                          So lets see what you get when you try and connect.
                          smb.jpg

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                            solaris81
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                            I am using packet capture in pfsense and then opening it with wireshark. Is there a good way to filter within packet capture so I can get rid of all the other traffic?

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                              mcury Rebel Alliance @solaris81
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                              @solaris81

                              In order to get real time capture, you could use tcpdump directly in pfsense cli.
                              tcpdump -i INTERFACE tcp and port 445 and host HOST_IP

                              Where, interface is the interface name you want to sniff, ifconfig lists all the interfaces.
                              HOST_IP would be the client IP, if you filter by the server IP, you would get a lot of stuff too.

                              The filter "tcp and port 445 and host HOST_IP" could be modified as you wish, you can use OR instead of AND too.

                              Second method is to wireshark directly to the pfsense, but that would require ssh keys.
                              In case you want this method, just let me know and I will paste here a procedure for you.

                              dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                solaris81
                                last edited by solaris81

                                @mcury said in SMB - Windows share over vlans:

                                tcpdump -i INTERFACE tcp and port 445 and host HOST_IP

                                I did a capture capture from the 10.0.0.0/24 network where the Win system resides. Here are my findings. First attempted to connect to the Windows machine and then did a ping to show I am able to reach it.

                                Followed with another attempt to connect to the share.

                                capture1.PNG

                                capture2.PNG

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                                  mcury Rebel Alliance
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                                  Good, as we can see, your server never replied the SYN request from the client.
                                  Can you set the capture now in the interface that has the IP 10.0.0.1 ?
                                  Let's confirm if your pfsense is sending this SYN to the server.

                                  dead on arrival, nowhere to be found.

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                                    solaris81
                                    last edited by solaris81

                                    The capture was from the em1_vlan10 interface where the 10.0.0.1 exists. Are you talking about running a capture on the 10.0.0.51 interface/ Windows machine?

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                                      mcury Rebel Alliance
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                                      Yes, run in the server, or in pfsense interface connected to the server.
                                      I presume those 10 networks are /27, /28 /29 right?

                                      A /26 or less would give you routing issues due to network overlap.

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                                        solaris81
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                                        No, they are all /24. 10.0.0.0/24..... Where the Windows host lives and 10.0.3.0/24, is where my Android is.

                                        The images above are taken from a capture on the 10.0.0.1 interface

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by johnpoz

                                          Well then your server never answered at all, he didn't send a RST he just ignored your connection attempt that pfsense sent.. Not a pfsense problem..

                                          BTW - good idea to send the pings inbetween!! That is very helpful in showing you can talk to the IP... But as you can see from the sniff, the sync is sent - just no answer.

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                                            solaris81 @johnpoz
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                                            @johnpoz said in SMB - Windows share over vlans:

                                            Well then your server never answered at all, he didn't send a RST he just ignored your connection attempt that pfsense sent.. Not a pfsense problem..

                                            BTW - good idea to send the pings inbetween!! That is very helpful in showing you can talk to the IP... But as you can see from the sniff, the sync is sent - just no answer.

                                            So if the firewall is off, as well as other services, Defender and whatnot...Any idea why the machine would ignore the connection attempt? It works fine if both devices are in the same subnet

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