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    PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions

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    • A
      AndyC
      last edited by

      On HP tagging != trunking. Trunking is used for link aggregation. No need to touch that if you just need VLAN functionality.

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        A Former User
        last edited by

        Thanks Andy. I did a bit more digging and found that same answer too.
        Cheers.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by

          …..and there's the confusion!  ;)

          But that's especially confusing. Good to know.  Thanks.

          Steve

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            jwhitewick01 @A Former User
            last edited by

            @SR190 has anyone been able to resilve this as i have not been able to transport vlan traffic to tagged ports

            Here is my setup

            Port 48 goes to my pfsense firewall

            Untagged vlan 1 by default on port 48
            Vlan 11 tagged on port 48
            Vlan 12 tagged on port 48
            Vlan 13 tagged on port 48

            The switch model is hpe 1820-48G

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              JKnott @jwhitewick01
              last edited by

              @jwhitewick01

              Have you configured those VLANs on pfSense?

              PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
              i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
              UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                jwhitewick01 @JKnott
                last edited by

                @JKnott yes all vlans are configured on pfsense.

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                • JKnottJ
                  JKnott @jwhitewick01
                  last edited by

                  @jwhitewick01

                  Well, fire up wireshark, to see what's happening. Wireshark has a column for VLAN ID, but you have to enable it.

                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

                  I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    I assume you have those VLANs untagged on other ports on the switch where you testing connecting hosts to them?

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                    • NogBadTheBadN
                      NogBadTheBad @JKnott
                      last edited by NogBadTheBad

                      @JKnott said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                      @jwhitewick01

                      Well, fire up wireshark, to see what's happening. Wireshark has a column for VLAN ID, but you have to enable it.

                      Screenshot 2020-02-20 at 16.24.42.png

                      Andy

                      1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                        last edited by

                        @NogBadTheBad

                        All I can see is there's no VLAN traffic at whatever point you're looking at. Are the VLANs configured on that interface? You'll have to do something to generate traffic on the VLANs, such as pinging a non-existent address. This will cause multiple ARP broadcasts, which give you something to watch for.

                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

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                        • NogBadTheBadN
                          NogBadTheBad
                          last edited by

                          The ID column shows traffic tagged vlan 4, 5 & 6.

                          Andy

                          1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                            JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                            last edited by

                            @NogBadTheBad

                            Sorry, my mistake. I haven't had my morning beer yet. 😉

                            So, you have VLANs enabled on that switch. Is that traffic coming from the switch where you're monitoring or is it being received by it? With managed switches, you can test at each end and then see what happens. So, if you see those tagged frames coming in, are they being sent out on the appropriate port? I see STUN packets. That implies VoIP or perhaps games? Where is that port you're monitoring in relation to your Internet connection. Hopefully, you're not trying to send VLAN frames out to the Internet.

                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                            • NogBadTheBadN
                              NogBadTheBad @JKnott
                              last edited by

                              @JKnott

                              Yup vlan 4 is my IOT vlan and vlan 6 is VOIP, the screen shot was just to show @jwhitewick01 what to set as a column rule.

                              I did a capture on my pfsense parent interface.

                              Andy

                              1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                              • JKnottJ
                                JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                                last edited by

                                @NogBadTheBad

                                Then why is VLAN4 showing a STUN packet? That should be on VLAN6. Is that packet incoming to pfSense? Or outgoing? I also see a router advertisement on there. I assume that MAC address matches the pfSense port and you don't another router out on VLAN5. And that 172.16.6.1 is pfSense on VLAN6. There is at least some communication between 172.16.6.2 and .1 Is that .2 on the correct VLAN?

                                PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                • NogBadTheBadN
                                  NogBadTheBad
                                  last edited by NogBadTheBad

                                  The STUN packet would appear to be from my Apple-TV.

                                  Screenshot 2020-02-20 at 17.39.08.png

                                  I don't normally resolve hostnames.

                                  The capture was done on my pfSense interface hence the RA.

                                  Ah they do use STUN.

                                  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202944

                                  Andy

                                  1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                                  • JKnottJ
                                    JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                                    last edited by

                                    @NogBadTheBad

                                    Whoever it it, it's a STUN packet on a VLAN that's supposed to be IoT, You'd normally only see STUN with VoIP or some games. Also, the VLAN IDs on pfSense don't appear to match up with those on the switch. They must be the same everywhere. So, if you have IoT on VLAN4 in pfSense, then it must also be VLAN4 on the switch trunk port.

                                    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                    UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                    I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                    • NogBadTheBadN
                                      NogBadTheBad
                                      last edited by

                                      The VLAN IDs are correct both end as I said previously "vlan 4 is my IOT vlan and vlan 6 is VOIP"

                                      The STUN packets on vlan 4 are from 2 x Apple-TVs.

                                      I'd see STUN packets on vlan 4 (IOT) and vlan 6 (VOIP).

                                      Andy

                                      1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                                        JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                                        last edited by

                                        @NogBadTheBad said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                                        The VLAN IDs are correct both end

                                        Then what's this?

                                        Port 48 goes to my pfsense firewall

                                        Untagged vlan 1 by default on port 48
                                        Vlan 11 tagged on port 48
                                        Vlan 12 tagged on port 48
                                        Vlan 13 tagged on port 48

                                        Those certainly don't look like 4, 5 & 6 to me.

                                        PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                        UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                        I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                        • NogBadTheBadN
                                          NogBadTheBad @JKnott
                                          last edited by

                                          @JKnott said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                                          @NogBadTheBad said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                                          The VLAN IDs are correct both end

                                          Then what's this?

                                          Port 48 goes to my pfsense firewall

                                          Untagged vlan 1 by default on port 48
                                          Vlan 11 tagged on port 48
                                          Vlan 12 tagged on port 48
                                          Vlan 13 tagged on port 48

                                          Those certainly don't look like 4, 5 & 6 to me.

                                          LOL I'm not @jwhitewick01 !

                                          Andy

                                          1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                                          • JKnottJ
                                            JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                                            last edited by

                                            @NogBadTheBad

                                            That's what happens when someone takes over anohter's thread.

                                            Your trunk 4, for example, where is it supposed to go? Does it get there so that you can see those STUN packets arriving where they're supposed to? I don't know what you have and haven't seen much in useful info to help with whatever your problem is?

                                            Scrolling back, the first post I see from you is in response to my suggestion that the OP use Wireshark. Why did you post a capture there? All you seem to be doing at that point is creating confusion.

                                            Also, I don't know about others here, but I don't sit around watching a thread all day. I'm at my desk, with the forum open. I see when there's a new post in some thread and then read it, so I'm not paying close attention to what happened earlier. When you posted in the thread with only the capture and no other comment, what was I supposed to assume?

                                            PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                                            i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                                            UniFi AC-Lite access point

                                            I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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