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    • GertjanG
      Gertjan
      last edited by

      Most AP's (thus Wifi switches) offer that possibility : wifi clients can connect to the gateway, and nobody else. The AP enforces it.
      Manageable switches can do the same thing.

      pfSense can't help you here.

      Even Microsoft Windows has this possibility build in for very long now :
      It's exactly that what is been asked when you connect to a new network (cable or Wifi) :
      Is it Private and trusted ?
      Or Public ?

      If Public is chosen, your Windows device will only communicate with the gateway, blocking everybody on the LAN segment out.
      Public is of course the way to go when you connect to a public - non trusted Wifi network. Your isolated !
      If that (Wifi) network is trusted you should have a talk with the device owner : you're trusting him right ? And he brings in nasty ware ?

      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ProfessorManhattan
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        @ProfessorManhattan said in Client Isolation by Default:

        Is there a particular feature I need to look for?

        What a switch maker might call it might vary, but this is commonly called a private vlan.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_VLAN

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        • noplanN
          noplan
          last edited by

          We v done it here a kind of complex way for a workbench

          8 port vlan switch
          Used 7 ports 7 vlans 7 dhcps and on and on all on pfS working

          PS
          Firewall rules included :)

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            Yeah that is hard way to do it ;) hehehe Doesn't scale very well.. What if you have say 500 devices...

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            • JKnottJ
              JKnott @noplan
              last edited by

              @noplan

              Doesn't your switch do that? My Cisco switch certainly does and, IIRC, even my crappy TP-Link switch does too.

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by

                Yeah my switches do it - not sure about the 40$ ones though.. Your saying the $40 tplink that don't really do vlans correctly and don't allow you remove vlan 1 in old versions support private vlans?

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                • JKnottJ
                  JKnott @johnpoz
                  last edited by JKnott

                  @johnpoz

                  Hang on a minute while I check.
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                  .
                  .
                  Sorry, I didn't remember correctly. I must have been thinking of my crappy TP-Link AP, which does have that. It also doesn't do VLANs correctly.

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by johnpoz

                    Yeah many a AP can do client isolation keeping wireless devices from talking to each other.. Even the crappiest of 20$ wifi router support this feature quite often ;)

                    But wired switches, I think they need to be more of a full managed switch.. Doesn't it mean it has to be $1k enterprise.. My 200$ small business sg300's can do it for example.

                    The work around for when you have a handful of devices sure is viable even on a $40 smart switch... That works if you have only a handful of devices.. But what if you had 100 ;) hehehehe

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                    • noplanN
                      noplan
                      last edited by

                      Vlan hoppin and tp link
                      And yes the hard way when you do not trust your cheap switch

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                      • JKnottJ
                        JKnott @noplan
                        last edited by

                        @noplan

                        I don't use that TP-Link switch for VLANs. I've configured it to use as a data tap, so I can monitor Ethernet connections with Wireshark. It works fine there.

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                        i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
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                        • noplanN
                          noplan
                          last edited by

                          any suggestions for a cheap switch that can do client isolation out of the box ?
                          ;) brNP

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                            akuma1x @noplan
                            last edited by

                            @noplan said in Client Isolation by Default:

                            any suggestions for a cheap switch that can do client isolation out of the box ?
                            ;) brNP

                            D-Link has a cheap ($35 USD) managed switch, the DGS-1100-05. I quickly looked at the overview, but, like @johnpoz says, a manufacturer could call it something completely different. I didn't see the words "client isolation" specifically. You might have to chat or call them to ask.

                            You could, and I'm not saying it's a good idea, but you could, with that switch, setup VLANs to do some basic isolation.

                            Jeff

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                            • noplanN
                              noplan
                              last edited by

                              Yeah I feel ya

                              That's exactly why we used the hard not well scalable approach for a 8 port switch ;)

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                              • johnpozJ
                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by johnpoz

                                @noplan
                                So dlink calls it Asymmetric VLANs

                                Its the same thing - so yeah your good with a switch like that..

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                                • noplanN
                                  noplan
                                  last edited by

                                  Hey thanks for the hint
                                  We got here some dgs-1100-08 hanging around in their dusty boxes :)

                                  Let's go testin!!!

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