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    Multiple Gateways on same subnet

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      dr_tech @DaddyGo
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      @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

      you use WAN interfaces with the same name, but their descriptions only are different, so the system use a lower IP address

      Pardon ?

      Gateway groups are also not working in this case, as soon as my primary gateway goes down, I lose connectivity with the Internet.

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      • RicoR
        Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
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        Your windows tracert not showing the pfSense LAN IP as first hop means you have something terribly wrong in your whole setup.

        -Rico

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          dr_tech @Rico
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          @Rico said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

          Your windows tracert not showing the pfSense LAN IP as first hop means you have something terribly wrong in your whole setup.

          Oh yes, didn't notice that. I'll try setting up pfSense back from scratch and report back.

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            dr_tech
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            I re-did all my steps, installing a new pfSense instance, adding a WAN interface with static IP and gateway (10.1.0.1), did a traceroute, all traffic was being routed through the pfSense box :

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            Added a second gateway under System > Routing :

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            Modified the default firewall rule to route all traffic through second gateway :
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            Redid a traceroute :
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            Everything just breaks apart, NAT stops working, pfSense starts acting sort of like a switch, even when my LAN IP is stil 192.168.1.2/24.

            Please help

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              DaddyGo @dr_tech
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              @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

              Oh yes, didn't notice that.

              this is not entirely the case...
              only ICMP question, listen....

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              • DaddyGoD
                DaddyGo @dr_tech
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                @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                Everything just breaks apart, NAT stops working, pfSense starts acting sort of like a switch,

                there may be serious configuration deficiencies ...
                I suggest you try to install only one WAN interface first

                and let us see that this behaves, because basically this is a dual-NAT configuration

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                  dr_tech
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                  @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                  I suggest you try to install only one WAN interface first

                  I did that, and until that point it works fine. (Pleas refer to my previous post)

                  As soon as I add the second gateway, and set up the firewall rules to divert traffic through the second gateway, I stop seeing the first hop as the IP of pfSense.

                  @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                  all traffic was being routed through the pfSense box :

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                  (Only the first gateway - 10.1.0.1 Campus Network Installed)

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                    DaddyGo @dr_tech
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                    @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                    Pleas refer to my previous post

                    try something please do this:

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                      dr_tech
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                      @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                      try something please do this:

                      I have already set it as automatic, the moment I added a second gateway.

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                      • DaddyGoD
                        DaddyGo @dr_tech
                        last edited by DaddyGo

                        @dr_tech

                        What is this.......LAN /16???

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                        +++edit:
                        do you want to say / 24

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                          dr_tech
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                          @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                          do you want to say / 24

                          No, I meant that the subnet for my LAN is 255.255.0.0, not the default /24 block. But regardless, even if I try the 24 block, I face the same issue.

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                            DaddyGo @dr_tech
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                            @dr_tech

                            Ohhh...OK

                            if you think,..... I have a couple of lab pfSense units, I'll try to model your problem tomorrow...
                            we have saturday night at 9pm and my wife is waiting with a bottle of wine...

                            is this right for you?

                            btw:
                            what is a brief description of your hardware?

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                              dr_tech
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                              @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                              we have saturday night at 9pm

                              Sure, Have a nice weekend !!

                              My hardware :
                              Router 1 (College Router) : Asus RT-AC53 (10.1.0.1)
                              Router 2 (ISP Router): TP-Link Archer C1200 (10.1.0.2)

                              pfSense: Running on VMWare ESXi (with an Intel i350-T4 passed through)
                              Port 1 : Input from Asus RT-AC53
                              Port 2 : Connected to a Switch (pfSense LAN 192.168.1.0/24)

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                                kkrazyken @dr_tech
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                                @dr_tech Where is your connection from pfSense to the ISP router?

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                                    dr_tech @kkrazyken
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                                    @kkrazyken
                                    Router 1 and Router 2 are connected to each other (DHCP turned off on router 2). This was so that I could just switch the gateway address on my phone/laptop to access blocked websites quickly, without changing the network.

                                    That is the reason why Router 1 is at 10.1.0.1/16 and Router 2 at 10.1.0.2/16.

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                                      kkrazyken @dr_tech
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                                      @dr_tech I see, two Gateways on the same WAN interface. On the WAN interface page, what is the GW set to there? Does changing it make a difference?

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                                      • JeGrJ
                                        JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator
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                                        As @johnpoz likes to say, that setup is bonkers ;)

                                        Yes you can use multiple gateways on a single WAN that's right, but it makes things complicated, as PF rules are setup to e.g. reply on the interface. But reply-to whom? The GW that is set up with the WAN IF is used primarily for many thing. If that's not the wanted you have to get those two Gateways to separate interfaces and add a second WAN interface to properly use MultiWAN the right way. Why are both gateways in the same subnet anyways? Is that necessary for anyone?

                                        I'd change the IP of the second WAN (the ISP one) and set it up as an additional WAN(2). That way all routing and forwarding functionality can work the right way right from the start including Gateway Groups or port forwardings that otherwise are hard to make work.

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                                        • johnpozJ
                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                          last edited by johnpoz

                                          not bonkers - borked ;) hehhe

                                          https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=borked

                                          I'd change the IP of the second WAN (the ISP one) and set it up as an additional WAN(2).

                                          This is the correct answer... But doesn't explain why the pfsense lan drops out of the the trace.. So clearly there is info from this puzzle that is missing.

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                                            dr_tech
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                                            So putting the gateways on separate subnets (hence IF) did in fact solve my issue, as reported here : https://forum.netgate.com/topic/156788/possible-to-select-gateway-based-on-url?_=1600096323225

                                            @JeGr said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                                            But reply-to whom

                                            Maybe the mystery lies here in.

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