"Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade

stephenw10

Need to see the backtrace to compare but since those faults are in different processes they will be different. That implies a high likelihood of a hardware issue probably RAM. Did that BIOS update change the memory handling at all?
Does going back to an earlier version correct it?

Steve

fireodo

@CS said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

I recently upgraded my BIOS on an APU2 board from Coreboot v.4.0.X to v4.12.0.4.

Beside of many changes between the Legacy Bios Line (4.0.x) and the Mainline (4.12.0.x) in the Mainline is the Core Performance Boost enabled by default. This COULD be something that makes a slightly faulty RAM to react.
You could deactivate it in the Bios and see whats happening.

Regards,
fireodo

CS

Thank you @stephenw10 and @fireodo !

I deactivated the "Core Performance Boost" option and I'm waiting to see what happens.

Today it crashed several times, before the change in BIOS, and the faults are in different processes every time. I also got the following error twice "spin lock held too long":

MCA: Bank 1, Status 0x9400000000000151
MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000000106, Status 0x0000000000000000
MCA: Vendor "AuthenticAMD", ID 0x730f01, APIC ID 1
MCA: CPU 1 COR ICACHE L1 IRD error
MCA: Address 0x4eb660
spin lock 0xffffffff83517de8 (smp rendezvous) held by 0xfffff80008b65620 (tid 100132) too long
timeout stopping cpus
panic: spin lock held too long
cpuid = 1
KDB: enter: panic

and

spin lock 0xffffffff83517de8 (smp rendezvous) held by 0xfffff80004acd000 (tid 100059) too long
timeout stopping cpus
panic: spin lock held too long
cpuid = 1
KDB: enter: panic

CS

If it fails again I'll run a memtest and possibly downgrade to an older version of coreboot. By the way, my pfSense config is an old one that I have kept while upgrading to newer versions.

fireodo

@CS said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

If it fails again I'll run a memtest and possibly downgrade to an older version of coreboot. By the way, my pfSense config is an old one that I have kept while upgrading to newer versions.

Memtest is a good idea and maybe a checkdisk too!

Good Weekend,
fireodo

stephenw10

Yup, definitely try memtest if you can. That MCA error can only be hardware related so I would guess it is something to do with the core boost if it doesn't happen on legacy BIOS versions. I haven't dug deep enough here to find out if that changes the ram clock. I don't have an APU new enough to support that.

Steve

DaddyGo

@CS said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

possibly downgrade to an older version of coreboot.

Hi,

Unnecessary step back (downgrade) APU2 based boxes work perfectly with the new BIOS

The problem is maybe that, with a "legacy BIOS" version left for a long time (I don't understand why?) and now you've taken a big step forward onto an old pfSense install

My suggestion is a full backup followed by a fresh pfSense installation with the latest BIOS (v4.12.0.4)

Important:
After installing the BIOS, the APU boards require a complete power outage (60- 120 sec), a hot and cold reboot is not enough !!!

CS

Uptime: 16 hours with no crash yet, fingers-crossed. :)

Thanks @DaddyGo , I had done the complete power outage so that shouldn't be an issue here.

I agree that a fresh pfSense with the latest BIOS would be ideal but I keep this as my last option right now. Ideally I wouldn't even restore my config and do everything from scratch but I'm not sure if I'll have the time and patience to do that.

In regards to your comment about the legacy BIOS version, honestly I didn't have a good reason to keep upgrading the BIOS when the device works flawlessly with the latest pfSense releases. Sometimes the BIOS upgrades might cause issues and I didn't have time to deal with these. I upgraded now because the device relocated and it's always a good opportunity to start fresh with the latest versions.

CS

@DaddyGo said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

Unnecessary step back (downgrade) APU2 based boxes work perfectly with the new BIOS

@DaddyGo can you please confirm if "Core Performance Boost" is currently enabled or disabled in your BIOS? For the record, I have Coreboot v4.12.0.4, not v4.12.0.3. Let me know how it goes when you upgrade.

DaddyGo

@CS said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

can you please confirm if "Core Performance Boost" is currently enabled or disabled in your BIOS?

We have been using APU boards for many years, so we have a lot of experience with these MOBOs.
We’ve been through a lot of BIOS versions already.

We have long deviated from the legacy BIOS line at the suggestion of pcEngines and 3mdeb.

CPB has been in use for a long time, as the first CPU core spins at 1,400 at this time, which is good for OpenVPN stuff.

CPB has been enabled since V4.9.0.2

with this you can check: sysctl dev.cpu.0.freq_levels

Updating the BIOS is quite difficult due to known USB flash drive problems, almost only the Kingston DT100 G3 can update the BIOS. I also quickly bought 16 and 32G models out of it as they are no longer available.

The sequence of operations is well described here, if you need help I am happy to be at your disposal.
https://pcengines.ch/howto.htm#TinyCoreLinux

register for BIOS information here:
https://pcengines.github.io/
(you will receive a first-hand update via email)

btw:

Also, don’t forget about Intel tweaks and the correct configuration of your NIC
loader.conf.local....
like:

legal.intel_ipw.license_ack=1
legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
hw.igb.rx_process_limit=-1
hw.igb.tx_process_limit=-1
hw.igb.rxd=1024
hw.igb.txd=1024
hw.igb.max_interrupt_rate=64000

and etc......

system tunables...
disable EEE,
disable flow control
kern.ipc.nmbclusters
set net.inet.ip.redirect (enable tryforward routing path ipv4)

and similar things....

CS

@DaddyGo thanks a lot for your response.

For the record, the device has been working smoothly without any crashes for about 6 days after I disabled CPB. So that was definitely what caused the issue. I'll try to re-enable it and do some tuning in case this can be solved without having to keep CPB disabled or re-install pfSense from scratch. I'll provide updates about my progress on this thread for future reference.

DaddyGo

@CS said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

the device has been working smoothly without any crashes for about 6 days after I disabled CPB

This means that your problem is CPB dependent, but I really have not heard of anyone else having this problem in the long run.

CPB is not a required feature, but if it already exists and can be enabled, why not use it.
For us, it caused a significant improvement in ExpVPN connections

These links can also be useful:

https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/apu2-vpn-performance/
https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/apu2-1-gigabit-throughput-pfsense/
https://teklager.se/en/knowledge-base/

btw:
99% of pcEngines users use CPB, the forum is full of APU board descriptions, I think it's a good thing

fireodo

@DaddyGo said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

btw:
99% of pcEngines users use CPB, the forum is full of APU board descriptions, I think it's a good thing

I have CPB too, and I have tested with and without, there was no difference in the pfsense behavior (beside speed increase), but I think that the original posters APU has RAM that is on the "limit" and the increasing of speed make that RAM to produce errors.
Thats what I suppose.

Fine Weekend,
fireodo

DaddyGo

@fireodo said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

but I think that the original posters APU has RAM that is on the "limit" and the increasing of speed make that RAM to produce errors.

This is very possible....exhausted RAM

no matter how good the APU stuff is, 4GB of RAM was often on the "verge" for me

Don't forget @fireodo that 3mdeb (BIOS developers) has been activating RAM ECC for some time

so this should help with RAM errors

fireodo

@DaddyGo said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

Don't forget @fireodo that 3mdeb (BIOS developers) has been activating RAM ECC for some time

so this should help with RAM errors

I know - but if the Hardware is not OK (the RAM-Chips) then even ECC cannot compensate that!

DaddyGo

@fireodo said in "Page fault while in kernel mode" on APU2 after bios/coreboot upgrade:

Hardware is not OK

That’s really true, and then we’ll see what the OP gets

CS

@DaddyGo, @fireodo , @stephenw10

Hey folks, let me provide an update here:

Memtest was completed without errors but pfSense kept crashing.
I upgraded coreboot to v4.12.0.5 but it kept crashing.
I reinstalled pfSense 2.4.5-RELEASE-p1 and restored my config but it kept crashing, which is something I was not expecting.
I kept the CPU Boost config option in my loader.conf.local and disabled again the option "Core Performance Boost" in Bios. It stopped crashing and CPU Boost is still active:

dev.cpu.0.temperature: 62.7C
dev.cpu.0.cx_method: C1/hlt C2/io
dev.cpu.0.cx_usage_counters: 24303377 0
dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% last 1981us
dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1
dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1/0 C2/2/400
dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1400/-1 1200/-1 1000/-1
dev.cpu.0.freq: 1400
dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0
dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0
dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.P000
dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu
dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU

Core Performance Boost is triggering this for some reason, it was crashing randomly and not when it was under load.
Could anyone share their APU2 loader.config.local file for reference? I'm wondering if I'm missing something obvious, I haven't done any tuning for years because it has been running smoothly with no issues.

stephenw10

The fact it threw an MCA error implies it was hitting some hardware issue and it looked to be in the RAM.

I'm not entirely sire what the Core Performance Boost setting does but I could well believe it pushes the RAM or bus speed up with the CPU. Your RAM appears to be incapable of running stable at that new rate. Or something lsimilar to that.

Steve

kiokoman

are you sure it's ram?

to me it can be overclocked cpu or burned cpu

MCA: Vendor "AuthenticAMD", ID 0x730f01, APIC ID 1
MCA: CPU 1 COR ICACHE L1 IRD error

Machine Check Architecture

CPU 1
COR = Corrected
ICACHE = Instruction Cache
L1 = L1 Cache (On Chip)
IRD = Instruction Fetch
error is self explanatory.

stephenw10

Nope I'm not sure. And your explanation looks better!

Pretty much the only thinh that made me think it might be ram was:

MCA: Bank 1, Status 0x9400000000000151

Which I assume to be a RAM bank but it could be cache or some other terminology.

Steve