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      Jimbohello @bobbenheim
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      @bobbenheim Thank's
      did not change noting !
      your help was please ! thanks

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        serbus
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        Hello!

        Never used a limiter in pfsense, but the docs say :

        "Limiters cannot effectively guarantee a minimum bandwidth amount for a pipe or queue, only a maximum."

        I understand this to mean that you wont get more than the limit, but you could get less. Blowing past the limit would be one thing, but never hitting it? I dont know...

        https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/trafficshaper/limiters.html

        John

        Lex parsimoniae

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          noplan @serbus
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          Hey
          Tested it right now
          And hit the limit (not able to get more than the limit)

          Limit 5 on a 100

          The first time
          Then 4,5 then 4,8....

          Not gettin more than the limit an hit it once ;) out of 3

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            bobbenheim @Jimbohello
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            @Jimbohello what system are you running pfsense on and are you seeing higher speeds without limiter?

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              Jimbohello @serbus
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              @serbus
              first off, i read the documentation already.
              cant’t garranty minimum exacly !
              but suppose to garranty a maximum, that’s the issue.

              if you look a the firts post ! you will understand better ! the situation does appears on a breach of certain point !
              let say max limiter is 300 you will get 270
              let say limiter is set to 425 you will get 390
              let say limiter is set to 905 you will get 670
              and so on ! nothing to do with limiting 5 or 10 or 20! we are talking about more the limiter size increace more de accuracy is wrong

              thank’s

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                Jimbohello @bobbenheim
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                @bobbenheim

                lenovo m93p
                core i5 4th gen
                no hardware offloading
                aes-ni
                2 nic intel pro

                useless stuf disable in bios / onboard nic / onboard sound card / etc !

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                  Jimbohello @bobbenheim
                  last edited by

                  @bobbenheim

                  and ! yes the maximun reach point is reach without limiter !
                  940 -945 approx

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                    Stewart
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                    We've seen in APU1 and APU2 boxes. The disparity gets larger and larger the higher we set it.

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                      noplan @Stewart
                      last edited by

                      @Stewart said in Wrong limiter speed:

                      We've seen in APU1 and APU2 boxes

                      yes same here.. but with some testing
                      the limiter is set to a solid work.

                      we use it to prevent clients / networks / hosts
                      to consume all the bandwidth available

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                        SteveITS Galactic Empire
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                        What does Diagnostics > Limiter Info show during the testing?

                        See post https://forum.netgate.com/topic/112527/playing-with-fq_codel-in-2-4/38 ... "On downloads you will commonly see below the configured bitrate because each time you hit the limit pfSense will tell the sender to slow down below the limit."

                        "minimum bandwidth" I think is referring to that limiters can't guarantee a device will get any bandwidth at all, they can only cap the device.

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                          bobbenheim @Jimbohello
                          last edited by

                          @Jimbohello what are your limiter settings?

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                            Jimbohello @bobbenheim
                            last edited by

                            @bobbenheim
                            <dnshaper>
                            <queue>
                            <name>in</name>
                            <number>1</number>
                            <qlimit></qlimit>
                            <plr></plr>
                            <description></description>
                            <bandwidth>
                            <item>
                            <bw>799</bw>
                            <burst></burst>
                            <bwscale>Mb</bwscale>
                            <bwsched>none</bwsched>
                            </item>
                            </bandwidth>
                            <enabled>on</enabled>
                            <buckets></buckets>
                            <mask>none</mask>
                            <maskbits></maskbits>
                            <maskbitsv6></maskbitsv6>
                            <delay>0</delay>
                            <sched>wf2q+</sched>
                            <aqm>droptail</aqm>
                            <ecn></ecn>
                            <queue>
                            <name>in-queue</name>
                            <number>1</number>
                            <qlimit></qlimit>
                            <description></description>
                            <weight></weight>
                            <enabled>on</enabled>
                            <buckets></buckets>
                            <mask>dstaddress</mask>
                            <maskbits>32</maskbits>
                            <maskbitsv6>128</maskbitsv6>
                            <aqm>droptail</aqm>
                            <ecn></ecn>
                            </queue>
                            </queue>
                            <queue>
                            <name>out</name>
                            <number>2</number>
                            <qlimit></qlimit>
                            <plr></plr>
                            <description></description>
                            <bandwidth>
                            <item>
                            <bw>799</bw>
                            <burst></burst>
                            <bwscale>Mb</bwscale>
                            <bwsched>none</bwsched>
                            </item>
                            </bandwidth>
                            <enabled>on</enabled>
                            <buckets></buckets>
                            <mask>none</mask>
                            <maskbits></maskbits>
                            <maskbitsv6></maskbitsv6>
                            <delay>0</delay>
                            <sched>wf2q+</sched>
                            <aqm>droptail</aqm>
                            <ecn></ecn>
                            <queue>
                            <name>out-queue</name>
                            <number>2</number>
                            <qlimit></qlimit>
                            <description></description>
                            <weight></weight>
                            <enabled>on</enabled>
                            <buckets></buckets>
                            <mask>srcaddress</mask>
                            <maskbits>32</maskbits>
                            <maskbitsv6>128</maskbitsv6>
                            <aqm>droptail</aqm>
                            <ecn></ecn>
                            </queue>
                            </queue>
                            </dnshaper>

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                              Stewart @noplan
                              last edited by Stewart

                              @noplan Certainly we can make it work. It's just that the numbers don't really line up. Oh, and fast.com goes crazy when put through one of the limiters. Through the ones we set up last week fast.com couldn't get more than 120Mbps no matter what the limiter was set to. Without the limiter it would get the full 600+Mbps. I thought that was odd. Speedtest.net is the one that would increase, just at a different rate to what the limiter was being set at.

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                                bobbenheim @Jimbohello
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                                @Jimbohello Can you try enabling ECN in the limiter (not the queues) and see if that makes a difference, else you might also need to increase queue length from the default 50 to something larger.
                                Have you made any tweaks in loader.conf.local?

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                                  Jimbohello @bobbenheim
                                  last edited by

                                  @bobbenheim

                                  what tweak ?

                                  in loader.conf.local

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                                    Jimbohello @bobbenheim
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                                    @bobbenheim
                                    Explicit Congestion Notification is selected, but neither Tail Drop nor Worst-case Weighted fair Queueing (default) support it.

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                                      Jimbohello @bobbenheim
                                      last edited by

                                      @bobbenheim

                                      this give a better result on lowering de error in the accuracy
                                      from a limit of 799
                                      i can reach 735

                                      before it was close to 500 !
                                      we are on the right way ! :)

                                      <dnshaper>
                                      <queue>
                                      <name>in</name>
                                      <number>1</number>
                                      <qlimit>100</qlimit>
                                      <plr></plr>
                                      <description></description>
                                      <bandwidth>
                                      <item>
                                      <bw>799</bw>
                                      <burst></burst>
                                      <bwscale>Mb</bwscale>
                                      <bwsched>none</bwsched>
                                      </item>
                                      </bandwidth>
                                      <enabled>on</enabled>
                                      <buckets></buckets>
                                      <mask>none</mask>
                                      <maskbits></maskbits>
                                      <maskbitsv6></maskbitsv6>
                                      <delay>0</delay>
                                      <sched>fq_codel</sched>
                                      <aqm>codel</aqm>
                                      <ecn>on</ecn>
                                      <queue>
                                      <name>in-queue</name>
                                      <number>1</number>
                                      <qlimit></qlimit>
                                      <description></description>
                                      <weight></weight>
                                      <enabled>on</enabled>
                                      <buckets></buckets>
                                      <mask>dstaddress</mask>
                                      <maskbits>32</maskbits>
                                      <maskbitsv6>128</maskbitsv6>
                                      <aqm>codel</aqm>
                                      <ecn></ecn>
                                      <param_codel_target>5</param_codel_target>
                                      <param_codel_interval>100</param_codel_interval>
                                      </queue>
                                      <param_fq_codel_target>5</param_fq_codel_target>
                                      <param_fq_codel_interval>100</param_fq_codel_interval>
                                      <param_fq_codel_quantum>1514</param_fq_codel_quantum>
                                      <param_fq_codel_limit>10240</param_fq_codel_limit>
                                      <param_fq_codel_flows>1024</param_fq_codel_flows>
                                      <param_codel_target>5</param_codel_target>
                                      <param_codel_interval>100</param_codel_interval>
                                      </queue>
                                      <queue>
                                      <name>out</name>
                                      <number>2</number>
                                      <qlimit>100</qlimit>
                                      <plr></plr>
                                      <description></description>
                                      <bandwidth>
                                      <item>
                                      <bw>799</bw>
                                      <burst></burst>
                                      <bwscale>Mb</bwscale>
                                      <bwsched>none</bwsched>
                                      </item>
                                      </bandwidth>
                                      <enabled>on</enabled>
                                      <buckets></buckets>
                                      <mask>none</mask>
                                      <maskbits></maskbits>
                                      <maskbitsv6></maskbitsv6>
                                      <delay>0</delay>
                                      <sched>fq_codel</sched>
                                      <aqm>codel</aqm>
                                      <ecn>on</ecn>
                                      <queue>
                                      <name>out-queue</name>
                                      <number>2</number>
                                      <qlimit></qlimit>
                                      <description></description>
                                      <weight></weight>
                                      <enabled>on</enabled>
                                      <buckets></buckets>
                                      <mask>srcaddress</mask>
                                      <maskbits>32</maskbits>
                                      <maskbitsv6>128</maskbitsv6>
                                      <aqm>codel</aqm>
                                      <ecn></ecn>
                                      <param_codel_target>5</param_codel_target>
                                      <param_codel_interval>100</param_codel_interval>
                                      </queue>
                                      <param_fq_codel_target>5</param_fq_codel_target>
                                      <param_fq_codel_interval>100</param_fq_codel_interval>
                                      <param_fq_codel_quantum>1514</param_fq_codel_quantum>
                                      <param_fq_codel_limit>10240</param_fq_codel_limit>
                                      <param_fq_codel_flows>1024</param_fq_codel_flows>
                                      <param_codel_target>5</param_codel_target>
                                      <param_codel_interval>100</param_codel_interval>
                                      </queue>
                                      </dnshaper>

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                                        bobbenheim @Jimbohello
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                                        @Jimbohello can you run "top -aSH" in Diagnostics/Command Prompt and paste what it output under load?
                                        There might also be some tweaks you can do in loader.conf.local
                                        can you do a sysctl (e.g. "sysctl hw.em.enable_aim") in the command prompt for the following:
                                        hw.em.enable_aim
                                        hw.em.flow_control
                                        hw.em.num_queues
                                        hw.em.rx_process_limit
                                        hw.em.tx_process_limit
                                        hw.em.rxd
                                        hw.em.txd
                                        hw.em.max_interrupt_rate
                                        net.link.ifqmaxlen

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                                          Jimbohello @bobbenheim
                                          last edited by

                                          @bobbenheim

                                          il get in touch as soon as i can do it ! but honestly
                                          this is getting far deeper for something that is created on a simple click. i means creating a limiter suppose to be easy as 123.
                                          IMO this is getthing ridiculous ! if so many thing need to be modify on a single limiter limitation, why when your press APPLY they don’t run a script to set the right adjustement ! imagine you need to forward a port, and then you have to modify this and that TO MAKE IT WORK ! That will be irrelevent or if you prefer useless function !

                                          anyway ill get back to you
                                          youre help is please !

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                                            noplan @Jimbohello
                                            last edited by

                                            @Jimbohello said in Wrong limiter speed:

                                            but honestly
                                            this is getting far deeper for something that is created on a simple click

                                            yes true and 4 WHAT

                                            cuz the limiter does what it is supposed to do !
                                            here and on some other boxes

                                            to be honest i can not see the use case for gettin as deep as shown here
                                            an any set up

                                            maybe u can help me out here explainin whats the urgent need

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