J1900 performance
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@VAMike
it'll almost certainly be cheaper to buy something better later when you need it than it is to buy that same level of performance nowSeeing the trends during this past 6 months of COVID madness, where even the el-cheepo worlds most crappy 360p webcams got a 10x price hike in the March timeframe, I would say for sure there is no such electronics that hasnt faced a significant price increase due to high demand. So its a naive thing to say prices will go down in the future. I would say the opposite: anything that you can buy today at a reasonable price, will only be more expensive next year, because of vendor greediness.
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@soder said in J1900 performance:
@VAMike
it'll almost certainly be cheaper to buy something better later when you need it than it is to buy that same level of performance nowSeeing the trends during this past 6 months of COVID madness, where even the el-cheepo worlds most crappy 360p webcams got a 10x price hike in the March timeframe, I would say for sure there is no such electronics that hasnt faced a significant price increase due to high demand. So its a naive thing to say prices will go down in the future. I would say the opposite: anything that you can buy today at a reasonable price, will only be more expensive next year, because of vendor greediness.
Well, it's fairly easy to see that the costs for various fw/router products haven't increased by 10x, so the rest of your point is simply unfounded.
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@VAMike webcams prices did, so your conclusion against the generic continuous price increase I said in the 2nd part is not applicable. Not arguing, but routers wont be cheaper next year.
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@soder said in J1900 performance:
@VAMike webcams prices did, so your conclusion against the generic continuous price increase I said in the 2nd part is not applicable. Not arguing, but routers wont be cheaper next year.
Well, if you weren't just bits on the internet I'd take your bet. You keep arguing based on a temporary supply/demand driven price spike which is basically a strawman argument and I'm arguing based on specing/buying computer hardware for decades. Also you're kind of glossing over a key point: price points will tend to be somewhat stable, but price for a given level of performance drops as capabilities are improved on new products. And with that I'm done the back and forth.
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@akuma1x said in J1900 performance:
@JKnott said in J1900 performance:
I get 559.79 down and 21.63 up on a 500/20 Mb service.
Hey... that's cheating!
:)
Here's what I get today.
My ISP has generally provided better than advertised performance. Also, I got this as part of a bundle to upgrade to IPTV and in the process my bill will decrease by about $60-70 per month.
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The Qotom Q515G6 with the Celeron 3865U is well worth the extra cost IMO. It's a much newer generation, supports AES-NI, has much better IPC, uses less power in practice and generates less heat.
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@bradsm87 said in J1900 performance:
The Qotom Q515G6 with the Celeron 3865U is well worth the extra cost IMO. It's a much newer generation, supports AES-NI, has much better IPC, uses less power in practice and generates less heat.
According to this, it does not support AES-NI.
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Intel says that it do
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/96507/intel-celeron-processor-3865u-2m-cache-1-80-ghz.html
Weird .... That Qotom says it doesn't.
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That page I linked to is one of those d*mned annoying sites that won't stay still. When I first linked to it, on a Google search, the page that appeared it said it wasn't supported. Search on Qotom Q515G6 and take the first link.
Don't the people who develop those horrible sites understand that it makes it useless for trying to nail down info? They must be one of those "form over function" idiots who think a pretty site is more important than a useful one.
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No you misunderstod my post.
The page you links to says AES-NI : NOBut the page i linked to : Intel Processor specs - Says AES-NI: YES
So either the Chinese have made a "Clone" where they destroyed AES-NI
Or they "again" have no clue whet they're "Cut & Past'ing" on their product pages./Bingo
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They could have disabled it in the BIOS. Or maybe via a pin. Or maybe used CPUs from bin Z that have failed an AES test.
But probably just copy pasta.Steve
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That machine will do 500/20 and gigabit on the LAN side without issue. Even though the hardware is old, its more than powerful enough to handle routing traffic and doing basic firewall duty. However, for the ~100 dollars less you can get a used office machine on ebay with an i5, or if youre lucky i7, 4th or 5th gen + a 4 port intel NIC, and at the benefit of having standard hardware and a standard form factor should something go wrong or you want to upgrade in the future (10gbe nic or something like that). But of course it wont be as small or absolutely silent, and it will draw a few cents more power every month.
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The Q515G6 does support AES-NI. It is a mistake on the web site. Iāve used about 6 of them now. The Aliexpress listings state that they do too.
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@bradsm87 Have you tried a Q515G6 with a PPPoE WAN link and if so what throughput did you get?
I was looking at one of those myself and wondering if it can do 1 Gb/s PPPoE.
BTW I agree that it's a better buy than the J1900 box.
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@thegriffin Iām quite sure it would have no issue there. I just did a multi-threaded speed test saturating my 400/50 connection and CPU usage peaked at 17%.
I donāt have another internet connection with a fast enough upload speed to test VPN throughput but I suspect it would near saturate the connection with AES128-GCM too. Itās an extremely fast appliance. Iāve used many of the J1900 ones in the past and the 3865U is much faster and runs cooler.
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@bradsm87 Thanks for the info. Does your ISP use PPPoE? As there is a specific problem with it that impacts throughput.
For OVPN, according to a Youtube test running pfSense in a different brand box, the 3865U does about 330 Mb/s which is pretty good and enough for my use. For sure it supports AES-NI.
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It's close to double the single thread performance in a synthetic benchmark:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Celeron-J1900-vs-Intel-Celeron-3865U/2131vs3034The J1900 was surprisingly bad at PPPoE though. There were some threads where it chocked out at ~500Mbps. I think with tweaking it get's closer to 700Mbps. So....
No way to know for sure without testing though.
Steve
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@thegriffin my current ISP is just IPoE/DHCP so I canāt help you there.
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Thank you both. Yep there's no way to know for sure until the box is here and even if it does make it to 1 Gb/s with a basic config it may struggle with a more complex one on top of the PPPoE issue (which it wouldn't with IPoE).
At the moment I can't justify an i3/i5 for a home firewall/router so I had decided to squeeze some more life out of my aging Asus AIO until next year.
I was also looking at their new 8 NIC boxes (4 x I211AT + 4 x I350) and 8th gen Intel CPUs of which the i3/i5 are a worthwhile upgrade over 7th gen.
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Well, the HP computer I was running pfSense on died, so I'll have to get something. Today I came across this: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32864883139.html?gps-id=pcStoreLeaderboard&scm=1007.22922.122102.0&scm_id=1007.22922.122102.0&scm-url=1007.22922.122102.0&pvid=95b54977-2a52-4283-90d5-89784c1471b7&spm=a2g0o.store_home.smartLeaderboard_819228523.32864883139
At the moment, I'm using a Linksys WRT54GL & OpenWRT. Boy, is it slow, about 35 Mb down! It's also IPv4 only. It's about 540 Mb/s slower than what I was getting with pfSense on that HP computer.
PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
UniFi AC-Lite access pointI haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...
