2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD
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@rosmaniac said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
For pfSense this especially applies since older images aren't available any more for official download.
Hi,
is it clear or not?
when it is constantly evolving an OS and / or NGFW it contains more things - it is a pleasure
installing old images is suicidal moment...
this is a firewall, so the old image(s) 2.4.4 - 2.4.3 does not include new vulnerability fixes, there are extra package dependencies due to each version, etc....
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@gabacho4 said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
@rosmaniac I'd be curious to know how old the boxen you are working with are. No DVD drive and issues with USB suggests they are dated. ..
I was just providing what I considered to be useful information that the current images do not boot off CD drives, which are documented as supported hardware, anymore, that's all. The age of the machines (old, but reliable) is irrelevant for informational purposes. I'm not asking for the images to be reduced in size.
@DaddyGo I've been running a *nix for 30 years; familiar with progress I am, understand the Netgate reasoning I do, but caught in a bind I be. 2.4.4p3 is still supported by Netgate according to Netgate's docs so it's not 'suicide' to use that media to install from. This is not my first rodeo; I've read the release notes and know what the potential exposure is; I do this kind of stuff for a living. I'm not even asking for the old versions' images to be restored; just simply providing information that if you only have a CD drive in your firewall you need to be aware that 2.4.5 and later will not fit on that media, even though the ISO is billed as CD/DVD, implying it will work on CD media.
Client is happy, and machine is back online. Once I have time to tear into one of the spares I'll see what kind of DVD drives I need to look for on eBay.
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You can still install 2.4.4p3 and then upgrade to current. Minimal risk.
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@rosmaniac said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
implying it will work on CD media.
They do make 90min CDs, I believe all the way up to 99min or 870MBs.. So while this image is a tad over your 80min/700MB CDR.. It still fits on CD..
But to be honest - who actually uses CD media these days..I had to dig through my shelf.. And I did find a few single 700MB CD-Rs.. Not even sure why I kept them? Not even sure why I have any dvds to be honest.. I do have some BDs I burn home movies to for archive reasons..
But your point is valid I guess.. There should prob be mention that specific size CD is required like 90Min.. Or change to DVD for the description of what optical media you can burn too.
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I still have some mini CD-Rs here I can't bring myself to throw away. I think they were like ~220MB. Never try to use one in a slot loading drive, ask me how I know!
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Yeah - guess many of techy guys are hoarders by nature. I just recently got rid of like 6 old floppy drives I had on the shelf.. And an old superdisk drive, you remember the ones that could fit 120MB on disk that looked just like normal 3.5, and it would even read normal 3.5 floppies.. They were way better than the old zip drives and slightly more space ;)
But now that you can carry around 128GB usb thumb on your keychain.. Shoot I have a bunch of 32GB sticks in my draw that I do use now and then to give friends and family media.. I just say keep them... I have like 10 more in the drawer ;)
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@johnpoz said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
@rosmaniac said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
implying it will work on CD media.
They do make 90min CDs, I believe all the way up to 99min or 870MBs.. ...
But your point is valid I guess.. There should prob be mention that specific size CD is required like 90Min.. Or change to DVD for the description of what optical media you can burn too.Yeah, 90 and even 100 minute CDRs are available, mainly for those who want their 90-minute and 100-minute cassette mix tapes to fit on CD.... but the Verbatims I have are all 700MB. Yow, those higher-capacity discs are quite a bit more expensive.... $15 will get 100 Verbatim 700MB inkjet-printable CDR's (I use these for audio production purposes doing low-volume CD releases for local musicians who want actual CD releases, so I happened to have those in-hand to do this re-install); 25 100-minute/900MB discs are $25. I can likely buy the DVD drive for that amount.
Yeah, a simple note about the image size is all I'm after. Mentioning the higher capacity CDs would of course be fine, but if 2.5 and up are going to be >1GB why not just drop the CD entirely?
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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@rosmaniac point well made. Thanks again for illuminating me personally on the size of the image.
This conversation had reminded me of how far technology has come in a matter of only a few years. Seems like only yesterday I was installing Windows 95, one 3.25 floppy at a time x 14 (or so). I do miss the grinding and humming sound of those drives. People knew you were busy just by that sound! Maybe Netgate can create a retro installation package made up of 20 or so of those floppies for us older folks. I'm not willing to try punch cards...
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Not sure if fond memories ;) hehehe
Getting to disk X and having a read error...
Not sure why I have fond memories of going around to all the machines and installing the co-processors in the 486 machines ;)
And do recall having to actual add tcp to our windows 3.1 machines.. Seems like yesterday sometimes!
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I looked - I thought I had some 800MB CDRWs laying around - I must of tossed them.. Did find a old box of 3.5 floppies though.. Why and the F did I keep these, when I threw out all the 3.5 drives ;) heheheh -
@johnpoz said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
Why and the F did I keep these, when I threw out all the 3.5 drives ;)
Because they have all that BTC stuff on them?
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Haha - I wish ;)
Like that guy that threw away like 7k bitcoins.. And now is trying to get permission from the dump to go diving for the drive..
https://news.bitcoin.com/man-accidentally-threw-away-hard-drive-with-7500-bitcoins-million-landfill/
I would of transferred them to modern storage years and years go if that was the case..
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@rosmaniac said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
I've been running *a nix for 30 years; familiar with progress I am, understand the Netgate reasoning I do, but caught in a bind I be. 2.4.4p3 is still supported
I say I'm sorry...
I didn't read it carefully enough, that you use the previous version as a "springboard" for installation, 2.4.5-p1
Although this is not the best either, as a clean installation has the benefits of considering disk fragmentation. (then it does not yet exist :))
(pkg... installation, - reinstallation and deletion processes, TaTatatata)I understand your attitude to the old HW, but it’s time to look for new donator :-)
I read the other posts about old and new OS, IT, network developments, storage solutions... (and other)
- well, yes the IT world is moving forward.... floppy, CD, DVD, double layer, blue ray, pen drive, etc..
I started with this (C64 I. and later II. - BASIC and later Simons' BASIC), so what you wrote is not far from me...
(the best part is that it still works(!) and I load the Last Ninja game from a 5.25" floppy (one sided floppy(!)) disc, hihihihi)
For someone who doesn't know Last Ninja:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ninja
BTW:
It’s good to hear that there are still people who selflessly help the other. PEACE
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Wow - brings back memories. I never played that one.. My favs were reach for the stars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reach_for_the_Stars_(video_game)
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_(video_game)I had found my 1541 drive in a box in the garage a couple years back.. Finally threw it out..I had scrapped the c64 that was on a shelf in closet a few years before..
Should of prob kept them - would of been a fun project maybe to get it working.. But finally had to start clearing stuff out.. Like when am I ever going to use this ISA 10mbit network card, or this old video card, etc. etc.
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My very first computer was a C64. Family got it when I was in 8th grade. Would put my favorite 5.25 inch floppy in the drive (no that's not what she said...), type run pitfall.exe, hit enter, and enjoy some adventure and doom...
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@johnpoz said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
Wow - brings back memories.
Nostalgia is good, only a few can enjoy it, the average age of the forum is young and that's good!!!!
Yeah and here are the guys whining that it doesn't work the multiplayer on PS4 and Xbox on a same subnet with two, three, four machines in same time... -behind the firewall - we didn't even know what the firewall used to be.... WTF
John, - it was damn good too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Bros._II
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@gabacho4 said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
My very first computer was a C64.
welcome to the club
it was my real first, but there was only one piece in school:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Spectrum
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and this but this is a Hungarian development, it was promising but failed (8 bit, huhuhuhu)
https://homelab.8bit.hu/
Cats bury it so they can't see it!
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@daddygo said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
Nostalgia is good, only a few can enjoy it, the average age of the forum is young and that's good!!!!
If you enjoy this kind of not-on-topic vintage computer conversation, you'd probably like the Vintage Computer Forums at www.vcfed.org/forum where vintage nostalgia is completely on-topic.
In any case, I got the answer (and attention to the issue) I was after, and hopefully the non-profit client will be able to get some newer kit donated. At least I'm not trying to port pfSense to the old 68020-based Proteon 8200 routers we have in the basement.....
Thanks all!
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My first was a trs-80, had a sinclar 1000 as well. Use to walk to the library to use a PET ;)
Back in the days of where you use to connect the phone handset into the modem... And you could type faster than the modem could handle..
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@daddygo said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
@rosmaniac said in 2.4.5p1 ISO too large for CD:
I've been running *a nix for 30 years; familiar with progress I am, understand the Netgate reasoning I do, but caught in a bind I be. 2.4.4p3 is still supported
I say I'm sorry...
Yeah, my first *nix was Tandy Xenix on a TRS-80 Model 16 (68000 processor); it was actual real Unix as ported by Microsoft and Tandy.
I didn't read it carefully enough, that you use the previous version as a "springboard" for installation, 2.4.5-p1
Right; I had no intention of staying on the old version, just boot to it and update. I had to do the same thing with CentOS 8 on a much newer server that still didn't like the USB stick for some reason; 8.2 fits on a DVD-DL but 8.3 doesn't. So I'll boot 8.2 and install, and then immediately upgrade to 8.3.
It’s good to hear that there are still people who selflessly help the other. PEACE
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