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    To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :)

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    • GertjanG Offline
      Gertjan @marvosa
      last edited by

      @marvosa
      Let me redo you list :

      1 PFsense unable to route traffic after boot up.
      1a) does it have a WAN IP ? Is it a valid IP ? Does it have a gateway ? Are these addresses known / seen before.

      I'll be looking at the DHCP client log. Checking if there was a dialog that looks 'normal' between the pfSense DHCP client, and the upstream DHCP server, where ever that may be.

      Step 2 to 11 : sending a ping to some remote network, knowing there is no 'route' only proves there is no route.
      Restarting DNS doesn't has anything to do with routes. When using IP addresses as 8.8.8.8, DNS functionality isn't used anyway. Also, if there is no 'route', DNS wouldn't work anyway.

      Very true : Modem devices have most often nothing to set up, and should be transparent.
      The reality is different : the most strange things are shown on this forum : modem that flap their NIX state several times during reboot or connection re negotiation. Or assign a RFC1918 while the connection isn't build yet.

      After pfSEnse has been undergoing a major update, a planned reboot is part of the 'validation process'. Just to be sure that, if it reboots in your absence, things land on their feeds.

      It's hard to say what happened in your case, but it could be something like this :
      Updating pfsense to 2.5.0 needs a kernel update. To do this, it needs to reboot to load the new kernel. The reboot will take you pfSense WAN NIC down for a moment. The mdoem sees this, and act upon that event, like : a upstream re negotiation.
      pfSense boots fast, the modem is (to) slow to open a new connection to the ISP. The pfSense WAN DHCP client repeats over an over a DHCP DISCOVER. This request never reaches the upstream DHCP server : the question is why this dead lock situation exists - why it is created ?
      Many modems (ISPs) have their own explanation. This forum has many examples about modems not being very cooperative.
      To work out something that works for every situation, the pfSense DHCP client has some 'advanced' options could be very useful.

      No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
      Edit : and where are the logs ??

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      • AlanesiA Offline
        Alanesi
        last edited by

        I cannot access my local servers from the internet after the update to 2.5.1 while it was working before the update.
        I have checked the firewall but nothing blocked. No changes on the port forwarding.
        I can access Pfsense from the internet using HTTPS but not my local server which using HTTP.

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        • GertjanG Offline
          Gertjan @Alanesi
          last edited by Gertjan

          @alanesi said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

          I can access Pfsense from the internet using HTTPS

          To make that work, you need a firewall rule on the WAN interface.

          @alanesi said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

          but not my local server which using HTTP

          To make that work, you need a NAT rule.

          To make it work again, you need to do some step by step NAT troubleshooting.
          Can't tell you nothing because you told us close to nothing.

          2 details :
          Opening your https pfSense webserver to the Internet should be IP limited. Normally, its just is not done.
          The IP you use to connect to the pfSense from the outside (you do connect from the outside, aren't you ?) indicates that you use the right IP.

          edit :

          A real example :

          I have a 'DiskSation' (Synology NAS) living on my LAN. It has IPv4 192.168.1.33
          pfSense has 192.168.1.1/24.

          The HTTPS access of a DiskSation, by default, is 5001.

          I added this NAT rule to pfSense :

          abbddd13-ae42-4d37-aecc-6c824409e4eb-image.png

          and now I can access - from anywhere from the Internet, my DiskSation using https://myip.tld

          Because I'm PATting from 443 to 5001 in pfSense, I t all works right away **

          ** That is : I also had to NAT my upstream ISP router.

          No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
          Edit : and where are the logs ??

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          • AlanesiA Offline
            Alanesi @Gertjan
            last edited by

            @gertjan I appreciate your prompt reply.

            I have reviewed the configurations but still cannot find the issue.

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            • C Offline
              cellobita @Yanik
              last edited by

              @yanik Current status, according to https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/11805:

              • The bug with NAT not working on non-default gateways exists, and has been fixed;

              • However, the patch involves an issue in the kernel, so it is not possible to patch it in-place.

              • It will be included in the next release, but no, they do not know when that will be.

              • From the amount of "I'm experiencing this too" posts there that have been periodically removed by jimp, it seems fairly widespread - I hope that this means that there'll be an interim release prior to 2.6.0, which is far in the future.

              Marcello Marques
              Santos - SP - Brazil

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              • GertjanG Offline
                Gertjan @cellobita
                last edited by

                @cellobita said in To 2.5.1 or not ? that is the question :):

                From the amount of "I'm experiencing this too" posts there that have been .....

                Not enough as you can see.

                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                • Cool_CoronaC Offline
                  Cool_Corona @Alanesi
                  last edited by

                  @alanesi Your doing it wrong.

                  http -> http on wan ports and forwarded to http redirect to internal server

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                  • GertjanG Offline
                    Gertjan @Cool_Corona
                    last edited by

                    @cool_corona

                    Yeah, the port range, from 80 to 82 :

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                    If the port range is needed he would be needing it, I guess.

                    No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                    Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                    • C Offline
                      cellobita @Gertjan
                      last edited by

                      @gertjan I suppose we've been relegated to second-class citizen status - this won't be the first time that an open source project leaves non-paying users behind. Can't say I'm surprised.

                      OTOH, this has made me look at alternatives to pfSense more closely, which is always a nice idea - one tends to default to familiar paths for new installations (I know I have done that, over the past 12 or so years deploying open source firewalls).

                      Marcello Marques
                      Santos - SP - Brazil

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                      • M Offline
                        marvosa @Gertjan
                        last edited by

                        @gertjan

                        1a) does it have a WAN IP ? Is it a valid IP ? Does it have a gateway ? Are these addresses known / seen before.

                        Yes to all 4 questions.

                        Step 2 to 11 : sending a ping to some remote network, knowing there is no 'route' only proves there is no route.

                        It proves the router/firewall isn't routing traffic, which is different than not having a route. The default route was there... and the firewall itself was able to get to the internet... but for some reason, PFsense wasn't routing internal traffic to the internet.

                        Restarting DNS doesn't has anything to do with routes.

                        Never said it did. Once the ping to google.com failed, I bounced the DNS service just in case the issue was DNS related vs routing, which has happened before. After that, a failed ping to 8.8.8.8 proved I wasn't able to hit the internet and likely a routing issue of some kind.

                        It's hard to say what happened in your case, but it could be something like this :

                        Updating pfsense to 2.5.0 needs a kernel update. To do this, it needs to reboot to load the new kernel. The reboot will take you pfSense WAN NIC down for a moment. The mdoem sees this, and act upon that event, like : a upstream re negotiation.

                        Anything's possible I suppose. Although, the 2.4.5-p1 -> 2.5.0 upgrade went without issue... it was he 2.5.0 ->2.5.1 that gave me grief, but I get what you're saying. Considering my wife works from home and my son is doing distance learning... I'm just glad I was home to deal with the outage when it happened.

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                        • B Offline
                          BJunior
                          last edited by

                          Can I restore the settings from version 2.5.1 on a 2.5.0 installation? NAT problems scratched my reputation with my users. I never imagined that something like this could happen with an official pfsense release

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                          • Cool_CoronaC Offline
                            Cool_Corona @BJunior
                            last edited by

                            @bjunior Yes you can. And a lot has been scratched....

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                            • B Offline
                              BJunior @Cool_Corona
                              last edited by

                              @cool_corona Thanks for information. I'll do it.

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                              • AlanesiA Offline
                                Alanesi @Cool_Corona
                                last edited by

                                @cool_corona , @Gertjan It can't say It's wrong as long the port is covered in the range it should work as it was working before. However, I changed it to only port 80 but still the same issue standing. I have the same issue in this line https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/11805:

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                                • S Offline
                                  shaik
                                  last edited by

                                  Hello Brothers, I create username as existing not admin member user in pfsense 2.5.1, I allow to status - system logs - port authentication to this existing user , but not showed to existing user, please resolve my query.

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                                  • G Offline
                                    geovaneg
                                    last edited by

                                    Hi,

                                    We have a problem here with IPSec mobile clients on 2.5.1 version:

                                    https://forum.netgate.com/topic/164440/disconnect-button-is-dropping-all-active-connections

                                    The 2.4.5-p1 version was solid as a rock.

                                    I´m not very happy with change in version policy of Netgate.

                                    Geovane

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                                    • S Offline
                                      stefanl
                                      last edited by

                                      Just upgraded from 2.4.5-p1 to 2.5.2. Haven't encountered any problems (yet). pfBlockerNG, IPsec and OpenVPN are all working.

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                                      • W Offline
                                        Waqar.UK @stefanl
                                        last edited by

                                        @stefanl Same here. Went smoothly.

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