wifi 6 card compatiility
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@milou Good luck then FreeBSD / pfSense doesn’t support WiFi6.
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freebsd support for wifi 5 - I don't even think is a thing. Let alone 6.
freebsd and wifi not a good mix.. The suggest advice of getting an AP to use is be the best advice your going to get to be honest.
Take whatever money you were going to spend on some card, and put it towards your AP.. You will be way happier in the long for sure.
Combining the AP with the router has never been a good idea - for starters it rarely allows you to correctly place the AP for best coverage.. And even if you can, doesn't look very good.
If you want good wifi, ie you talking 6 for example. Then get a AP that supports that, that you can actually place where it best makes sense for best coverage of the area you want wifi in. If you need more coverage - you get more AP.. etc..
edit: Do you have wifi6 devices, while its always fun to have the latest and greatest new thing on the market. Unless you have devices, that will actually take advantage of it. That you will even be able to notice/use correctly. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon quite yet to be honest. What is the make up of all your wifi devices? Most iot sort of device only do 2.4 for example.. What are you using for wifi now?
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Yup, .ac should be along soon (hopefully!) but right now the best you can do is an 802.11N 3x3 card for a theoretical max link speed of 450Mbps.
Use an external AP unless you really have a good reason not to. Or are just doing it for fun.
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:
max link speed of 450Mbps.
That all said and good ;) What clients have 3x3? Your phone? Your tablet? Your laptop? Iot devices?
They love to throw out these phy values - that are very unlikely to ever be seen or used in real world.. For 450 to be possible you would also need to be using 40 VHT.. Which is not a an official standard for 2.4 N, and almost never without issues trying to leverage it.. A more realistic high end phy for 2.4 is 144.4.. (2 streams, 20 VHT) So real world with a 2 stream client you typical see in the 70mbps range.. The use of 5ghz N on freebsd has been problematic as well, in the past.. Maybe that has been overcome? And you could see a 300 PHY?
While sure it might be "fun" for some people to use a crappy wifi connection with a speed less than fast ethernet ;) I am more in the line of having fun having good stable wifi, with speeds reflective of current technology..
To be honest some $20 wifi router used as AP would give you a better experience then trying to do wifi AP on your freebsd router..
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Yeah, like I said...for fun!
I have seen over 300Mbps in a real test to an Atheros 3x3 N card from a MBP. When it was very close. And there were no other clients. One time!
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:
have seen over 300Mbps in a real test to an Atheros 3x3 N card from a MBP
Was a calculation error in what you were using to do the math ;)
Even with 3 streams, and 450 PHY... lets call it 60% of PHY for real world.. Your at 270.. For 300 you would be at 67% of PHY.. There is no way that could be sustained, even if was a instantaneous value for a few packets, etc..
Your definition of fun is different than mine lets say ;) hehehe - getting shit speeds on old tech, just because can get it to work isn't my idea of fun.. When can get current speeds for $20 and really zero effort..
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Indeed, for some definitions of "fun".
I'd have to lookup that test, I remember being impressed at the time, I must have noted it somewhere. Can't argue with math though!
I recall specifically it was faster than the previous best I had seen with a 2x2 card which implied the client must be using it. I hadn't really expected it. -
.....and the math doesn't lie!
I was actually seeing ~215Mbps from an indicated 405Mbps link speed.
That was still ~30% faster than the 2x2 card I had been using. That was over 3 years ago.That was using a SparkLAN WPEA-127N (AR9380 3x3:3) which is still about the best card you will find that pfSense can use.
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:
I was actually seeing ~215Mbps from an indicated 405Mbps link speed.
That is believable ;)
Don't get me wrong.. Playing with different hardware and seeing what it can do, would fall into my list of fun as well..
But I don't take it that is what the OP is actually looking to do. And in my personal opinion - putting any sort of wifi card into your router, even if it was latest and greatest AX capable. Which clearly its not going to be with freebsd as the base os.. To use as your wifi AP for your network is exercise in futility.. And not going to provide anywhere close to the wifi experience you could have with doing it correctly with actual APs
Other than playing around.. What is fun is a stable, fast, reliable wifi network for all of your devices.. That you really should never have to mess with.. And your devices connect to without issue and good signal no matter where they are at in the house.. Be it in the same room with your router, or in the west wing library ;) Now maybe you get that with some wifi card you put in your router.. But from experience - that is not very likely.. Save yourself a lot of grief and future issues, and take whatever money you were going to put towards some card to stick in your router and get an actual AP.. Or even some off the shelf wifi router you use as just an AP..
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I thank you for these various and varied responses.
I don't want to be convinced to buy an access point. I already know this subject perfectly.I have devices that use 2.4 and 5 Ghz
I just ask if there is a mini pcie card for wifi6.
Otherwise which card compatible in recent version wifi 5 2.4 and 5GhzSince this card SparkLAN WPEA-127N (AR9380 3x3:3), Is there a better, newer wifi card? faster?
Thanks a lot
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No. Not one that is currently supported. No 802.11AX. No 802.11AC.
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@milou As I mentioned previously look here:-
https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.0R/hardware/
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Wireless Network Interfaces[amd64, i386] Cisco/Aironet 802.11b wireless adapters (4an(4) driver) The ath(4) driver supports all Atheros Cardbus and PCI cards, except those that are based on the AR5005VL chipset. The bwi(4) driver supports Broadcom BCM43xx based wireless devices, including: Apple Airport Extreme Apple Airport Extreme ASUS WL-100g ASUS WL-138g Buffalo WLI-CB-G54S Buffalo WLI-PCI-G54S Compaq R4035 onboard Dell Wireless 1390 Dell Wireless 1470 Dell Truemobile 1300 r2 Dell Truemobile 1400 HP nx6125 Linksys WPC54G Ver 3 Linksys WPC54GS Ver 2 TRENDnet TEW-401PCplus US Robotics 5411 The bwi(4) driver uses the older v3 version of Broadcom’s firmware. While this older firmware does support most BCM43xx parts, the bwn(4) driver works better for the newer chips it supports. You must use the bwi(4) driver if you are using older Broadcom chipsets (BCM4301, BCM4303 and BCM4306 rev 2). The v4 version of the firmware that bwn(4) uses does not support these chips. The bwn(4) driver supports Broadcom BCM43xx based wireless devices, including: Apple Airport Extreme ASUS WL-138g Buffalo WLI-CB-G54S Dell Wireless 1390 Dell Wireless 1470 Dell Truemobile 1400 HP Compaq 6715b HP nx6125 Linksys WPC54G Ver 3 Linksys WPC54GS Ver 2 US Robotics 5411 [i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 MiniPCI network adapter (ipw(4) driver) [i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG/2915ABG MiniPCI and 2225BG PCI network adapters (iwi(4) driver) [i386, amd64] Intel Dual Band Wireless AC 3160/7260/7265 IEEE 802.11ac network adapters (iwn(4) driver) [i386, amd64] Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN IEEE 802.11n PCI network adapters (iwn(4) driver) [i386, amd64] Marvell Libertas IEEE 802.11b/g PCI network adapters (malo(4) driver) Marvell 88W8363 IEEE 802.11n wireless network adapters (mwl(4) driver) The otus(4) driver provices support for Atheros AR9170 USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters, including: 3Com 3CRUSBN275 Arcadyan WN7512 CACE AirPcap Nx D-Link DWA-130 rev D1 D-Link DWA-160 rev A1 D-Link DWA-160 rev A2 IO-Data WN-GDN/US2 NEC Aterm WL300NU-G Netgear WNDA3100 Netgear WN111 v2 Planex GW-US300 SMC Networks SMCWUSB-N2 TP-Link TL-WN821N v1, v2 Ubiquiti SR71 USB Unex DNUA-81 Z-Com UB81 Z-Com UB82 ZyXEL NWD-271N The ral(4) driver supports PCI/PCIe/CardBus wireless adapters based on Ralink Technology chipsets, including: A-Link WL54H A-Link WL54PC AirLink101 AWLC5025 AirLink101 AWLH5025 Amigo AWI-914W Amigo AWI-922W Amigo AWI-926W AMIT WL531C AMIT WL531P AOpen AOI-831 ASUS WL-107G ASUS WL-130g Atlantis Land A02-PCI-W54 Atlantis Land A02-PCM-W54 Belkin F5D7000 v3 Belkin F5D7010 v2 Billionton MIWLGRL Canyon CN-WF511 Canyon CN-WF513 CC&C WL-2102 CNet CWC-854 CNet CWP-854 Compex WL54G Compex WLP54G Conceptronic C54RC Conceptronic C54Ri D-Link DWA-525 rev A2 Digitus DN-7001G-RA Digitus DN-7006G-RA E-Tech WGPC02 E-Tech WGPI02 Edimax EW-7108PCg Edimax EW-7128g Eminent EM3036 Eminent EM3037 Encore ENLWI-G-RLAM Encore ENPWI-G-RLAM Fiberline WL-400P Fibreline WL-400X Gigabyte GN-WI01GS Gigabyte GN-WIKG Gigabyte GN-WMKG Gigabyte GN-WP01GS Gigabyte GN-WPKG Hawking HWC54GR Hawking HWP54GR iNexQ CR054g-009 (R03) JAHT WN-4054P JAHT WN-4054PCI LevelOne WNC-0301 v2 LevelOne WPC-0301 v2 Linksys WMP54G v4 Micronet SP906GK Micronet SP908GK V3 Minitar MN54GCB-R Minitar MN54GPC-R MSI CB54G2 MSI MP54G2 MSI PC54G2 OvisLink EVO-W54PCI PheeNet HWL-PCIG/RA Planex GW-NS300N Pro-Nets CB80211G Pro-Nets PC80211G Repotec RP-WB7108 Repotec RP-WP0854 SATech SN-54C SATech SN-54P Sitecom WL-112 Sitecom WL-115 SMC SMCWCB-GM SMC SMCWPCI-GM SparkLAN WL-685R Surecom EP-9321-g Surecom EP-9321-g1 Surecom EP-9428-g Sweex LC500050 Sweex LC700030 TekComm NE-9321-g TekComm NE-9428-g Unex CR054g-R02 Unex MR054g-R02 Zinwell ZWX-G160 Zinwell ZWX-G360 Zinwell ZWX-G361 Zonet ZEW1500 Zonet ZEW1600 The rsu(4) driver provices support for Realtek RTL8188SU/RTL8192SU USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters, including: ASUS USB-N10 Belkin F7D1101 v1 D-Link DWA-131 A1 EDUP EP-MS150N(W) Edimax EW-7622UMN Hercules HWGUn-54 Hercules HWNUm-300 Planex GW-USNano Sitecom WL-349 v1 Sitecom WL-353 Sweex LW154 TRENDnet TEW-646UBH TRENDnet TEW-648UB TRENDnet TEW-649UB Realtek RTL8192C, RTL8188E, RTL8812A and RTL8821A based PCIe IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters (MAN.RTWN.4rtwn(4) driver) The rum(4) driver supports USB 2.0 wireless adapters based on the Ralink RT2501USB and RT2601USB chipsets, including: 3Com Aolynk WUB320g Abocom WUG2700 Airlink101 AWLL5025 ASUS WL-167g ver 2 Belkin F5D7050 ver 3 Belkin F5D9050 ver 3 Buffalo WLI-U2-SG54HP Buffalo WLI-U2-SG54HG Buffalo WLI-U2-G54HP Buffalo WLI-UC-G CNet CWD-854 ver F Conceptronic C54RU ver 2 Corega CG-WLUSB2GO D-Link DWA-110 D-Link DWA-111 D-Link DWL-G122 rev C1 D-Link WUA-1340 Digitus DN-7003GR Edimax EW-7318USG Gigabyte GN-WB01GS Gigabyte GN-WI05GS Hawking HWUG1 Hawking HWU54DM Hercules HWGUSB2-54-LB Hercules HWGUSB2-54V2-AP LevelOne WNC-0301USB v3 Linksys WUSB54G rev C Linksys WUSB54GR Planex GW-US54HP Planex GW-US54Mini2 Planex GW-USMM Senao NUB-3701 Sitecom WL-113 ver 2 Sitecom WL-172 Sweex LW053 TP-LINK TL-WN321G v1/v2/v3 The run(4) driver supports the following wireless adapters: Airlink101 AWLL6090 ASUS USB-N11 ASUS USB-N13 ver. A1 ASUS USB-N66 ASUS WL-160N Belkin F5D8051 ver 3000 Belkin F5D8053 Belkin F5D8055 Belkin F6D4050 ver 1 Belkin F9L1103 Buffalo WLI-UC-AG300N Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N Buffalo WLI-UC-G301N Buffalo WLI-UC-GN Buffalo WLI-UC-GNM Buffalo WLI-UC-GNM2 Corega CG-WLUSB2GNL Corega CG-WLUSB2GNR Corega CG-WLUSB300AGN Corega CG-WLUSB300GNM D-Link DWA-130 rev B1 D-Link DWA-140 rev B1, B2, B3, D1 D-Link DWA-160 rev B2 D-Link DWA-162 DrayTek Vigor N61 Edimax EW-7711UAn Edimax EW-7711UTn Edimax EW-7717Un Edimax EW-7718Un Edimax EW-7733UnD Gigabyte GN-WB30N Gigabyte GN-WB31N Gigabyte GN-WB32L Hawking HWDN1 Hawking HWUN1 Hawking HWUN2 Hercules HWNU-300 Linksys WUSB54GC v3 Linksys WUSB600N Logitec LAN-W150N/U2 Mvix Nubbin MS-811N Panda Wireless PAU06 Planex GW-USMicroN Planex GW-US300MiniS Sitecom WL-182 Sitecom WL-188 Sitecom WL-301 Sitecom WL-302 Sitecom WL-315 SMC SMCWUSBS-N2 Sweex LW303 Sweex LW313 TP-LINK TL-WDN3200 TP-LINK TL-WN321G v4 TP-LINK TL-WN727N v3 Unex DNUR-81 Unex DNUR-82 ZyXEL NWD2705 ZyXEL NWD210N ZyXEL NWD270N The uath(4) driver should work with the following adapters: Compex WLU108AG Compex WLU108G D-Link DWL-G132 IODATA WN-G54/US MELCO WLI-U2-KAMG54 Netgear WG111T Netgear WG111U Netgear WPN111 Olitec 000544 PLANET WDL-U357 Siemens Gigaset 108 SMC SMCWUSBT-G SMC SMCWUSBT-G2 SparkLAN WL-785A TP-Link TL-WN620G TRENDware International TEW-444UB TRENDware International TEW-504UB Unex Technology UR054ag ZyXEL XtremeMIMO M-202 An up to date list can be found at http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/default.asp. The upgt(4) driver supports USB 2.0 Conexant/Intersil PrismGT series wireless adapters based on the GW3887 chipset, among them: Belkin F5D7050 (version 1000) Cohiba Proto Board D-Link DWL-G120 Cohiba FSC Connect2Air E-5400 USB D1700 Gigaset USB Adapter 54 Inventel UR045G Netgear WG111v1 (rev2) SMC EZ ConnectG SMC2862W-G Sagem XG703A Spinnaker DUT Spinnaker Proto Board The ural(4) driver supports USB 2.0 wireless adapters based on the Ralink Technology RT2500USB chipset, including: AMIT WL532U ASUS WL-167g Belkin F5D7050 v2000 Buffalo WLI-U2-KG54-AI CNet CWD-854 Compex WLU54G 2A1100 Conceptronic C54RU D-Link DWL-G122 b1 Dynalink WLG25USB E-Tech WGUS02 Gigabyte GN-WBKG Hercules HWGUSB2-54 KCORP LifeStyle KLS-685 Linksys WUSB54G v4 Linksys WUSB54GP v4 MSI MS-6861 MSI MS-6865 MSI MS-6869 NovaTech NV-902 OvisLink Evo-W54USB SerComm UB801R SparkLAN WL-685R Surecom EP-9001-g Sweex LC100060 Tonze UW-6200C Zinwell ZWX-G261 Zonet ZEW2500P An up to date list can be found at http://ralink.rapla.net/. The urtw(4) driver supports Realtek RTL8187B/L based wireless network devices, including: Belkin F5D7050E Linksys WUSB54GCv2 Netgear WG111v2 Netgear WG111v3 Safehome WLG-1500SMA5 Shuttle XPC Accessory PN20 Sitecom WL168v1 Sitecom WL168v4 SureCom EP-9001-g(2A) TRENDnet TEW-424UB V3.xR [amd64, i386] Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11b wireless network adapters and workalikes using the Lucent Hermes, Intersil PRISM-II, Intersil PRISM-2.5, Intersil Prism-3, and Symbol Spectrum24 chipsets (wi(4) driver) [i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG MiniPCI network adapters (wpi(4) driver) The following devices are known to be supported by the zyd(4) driver: 3COM 3CRUSB10075 Acer WLAN-G-US1 Airlink+ AWLL3025 Airlink 101 AWLL3026 AOpen 802.11g WL54 Asus A9T integrated wireless Asus WL-159g Belkin F5D7050 v.4000 Billion BiPAC 3011G Buffalo WLI-U2-KG54L CC&C WL-2203B DrayTek Vigor 550 Edimax EW-7317UG Edimax EW-7317LDG Fiberline Networks WL-43OU iNexQ UR055g Linksys WUSBF54G Longshine LCS-8131G3 MSI US54SE MyTek MWU-201 USB adapter Philips SNU5600 Planet WL-U356 Planex GW-US54GZ Planex GW-US54GZL Planex GW-US54Mini Safecom SWMULZ-5400 Sagem XG 760A Sagem XG 76NA Sandberg Wireless G54 USB Sitecom WL-113 SMC SMCWUSB-G Sweex wireless USB 54 Mbps Tekram/Siemens USB adapter Telegent TG54USB Trendnet TEW-424UB rev A Trendnet TEW-429UB TwinMOS G240 Unicorn WL-54G US Robotics 5423 X-Micro XWL-11GUZX Yakumo QuickWLAN USB Zonet ZEW2501 ZyXEL ZyAIR G-202 ZyXEL ZyAIR G-220 Miscellaneous Networks The ce(4) driver supports the following models of Tau-PCI/32 WAN adapters: Cronyx Tau-PCI/32 Cronyx Tau-PCI/32-Lite The cx(4) driver supports the following cards: Cronyx Sigma-22, Sigma-24 Cronyx Sigma-100 Cronyx Sigma-400, Sigma-401, Sigma-404, Sigma-410, Sigma-440 Cronyx Sigma-500 Cronyx Sigma-703 Cronyx Sigma-800, Sigma-801, Sigma-810, Sigma-840 The cp(4) driver supports the following models of Tau-PCI WAN adapters: Cronyx Tau-PCI Cronyx Tau-PCI/R Cronyx Tau-PCI-L Cronyx Tau-PCI-L/R Cronyx Tau-PCI-E1 Cronyx Tau-PCI-G703 Cronyx Tau-PCI-2E1 Cronyx Tau-PCI-4E1 Cronyx Tau-PCI-E3 Cronyx Tau-PCI-T3 Cronyx Tau-PCI-STS1 The ctau(4) driver supports the following cards: Cronyx Tau (RS-232/V.35) Cronyx Tau/R (RS-530/RS-449) Cronyx Tau/E1 (fractional E1) Cronyx Tau/G703 (unframed E1) -
Not sure why felt you needed to post that - but atleast put in a text box its not so freaking long ;)
I edit your post so its better for anyone to read that might..
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PFSense being in 2.5.1 with FreeBSD in 12.2, which WIFI PCIe card is compatible in recent generation to have 2.4 and 5 Ghz. At the moment, Wifi 6 is not accessible, but what could be recent?
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Still the same answer. Nothing has changed in that last 2 weeks.
There is no support 802.11AX or 802.11AC.
You can only use 802.11N and about the best card there is something based on an Atheros AR9380 chip.
Steve
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@stephenw10 Thanks for this prompt response
Are there other examples of more recent card Mini Pcie? and at Intel? -
I assume you want to run the card as an access point? Most of the Intel driver do not support hostap mode so cannot be an access point.
No, there is nothing significantly newer than the Atheros AR9380 that is supported. Yet.Steve
