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pfTop hangs my GUI in 2.5.2 RC

2.5.2 Release Candidate Snapshots (Retired)
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    jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
    last edited by jimp Jun 15, 2021, 6:20 PM Jun 15, 2021, 6:19 PM

    I thought maybe https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/10414 had popped back up, but I can't replicate it using the commands that used to trigger it before. It's worth trying on your hardware though to see what happens.

    Do you have bogons enabled?

    If so, try the following commands:

    $ /etc/rc.update_bogons.sh 0
    $ time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T flush
    $ time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6
    $ time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6
    

    (yes, that last one is done twice)

    You may have to reboot before doing that if it's already in the bad state it was in before.

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      Trey @jimp
      last edited by Trey Jun 15, 2021, 6:25 PM Jun 15, 2021, 6:23 PM

      @jimp

      time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T flush
      122609 addresses deleted.
      0.000u 0.048s 0:00.04 100.0%    240+210k 0+0io 0pf+0w
      
       time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6
      122609/122609 addresses added.
      0.226u 0.218s 0:00.44 97.7%     212+185k 0+0io 0pf+0w
      
       time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6
      0/122609 addresses added.
      0.231u 0.079s 0:00.31 96.7%     208+182k 0+0io 0pf+0w
      
      

      PS: It was still in this bad state but the commands still worked...

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        maverick_slo @Trey
        last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:25 PM

        I had similar result.

        Hyperv, 4 cores.

        Before the upgrade not a single issue wigh beta...

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          jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
          last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:29 PM

          OK, so at least we know it isn't the same bug coming back to haunt us, though that would have likely made tracking down the cause and resolution much easier.

          From your earlier output, the pfctl commands getting hung up are dumping the state table contents.

          Try each of the following, but no need to post the individual state output, just the timing:

          $ pfctl -si | grep -A4 State
          $ time pfctl -ss
          $ time pfctl -vvss
          

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            maverick_slo @jimp
            last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:40 PM

            State Table Total Rate
            current entries 1434
            searches 3714325 359.4/s
            inserts 138111 13.4/s
            removals 136676 13.2/s

            4.50 real 0.01 user 4.48 sys

            1.32 real 0.01 user 1.30 sys

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              Trey @jimp
              last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:45 PM

              Okay, after a reboot the pftop page works again.

              CPU usage was back to none. Then a pfctl -ss was running long....

              After it ended I run:

              pfctl -si | grep -A4 State
              State Table                          Total             Rate
                current entries                     2407
                searches                          404293          546.3/s
                inserts                            20698           28.0/s
                removals                           18291           24.7/s
              
              time pfctl -ss
              0.141u 140.191s 2:20.52 99.8%   203+177k 0+0io 0pf+0w
              
              time pfctl -vvss
              0.157u 87.638s 1:28.08 99.6%    203+177k 0+0io 0pf+0w
              
              
              

              And perhaps these aliases add a lot of ipv4 and ipv6:

              Jun 15 20:21:31 filterdns 68338 Adding Action: pf table: Office365Server host: outlook.office365.com
              Jun 15 20:21:31 filterdns 68338 Adding Action: pf table: Office365Server host: outlook.office.com
              Jun 15 20:21:31 filterdns 68338 Adding Action: pf table: MailExternalServerIPs host: outlook.office365.com
              Jun 15 20:21:31 filterdns 68338 Adding Action: pf table: IcingaExternClients host: outlook.office365.com

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                jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:45 PM

                Hmm, it definitely shouldn't be taking that long to print out only 2400 states.

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                  Trey @jimp
                  last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 6:51 PM

                  Block bogon networks was now on before reboot and is still...

                  pfctl shows up in top every now and then and uses a lot of cpu...

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                    jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                    last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 7:03 PM

                    It's not likely related to bogons or aliases/tables at this point, but something in the state table.

                    I've started https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/12045 for this, and one of the other devs has a lead on a possible solution.

                    We're still trying to find a way to replicate it locally yet, but no luck.

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                      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                      last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 7:34 PM

                      OK I can't quite get up to the number of states you had with a quick and dirty test but I was able to get up to about 900 states and I definitely saw a slowdown.

                      20-50 states: 0.01s
                      300-450 states: 3s
                      850 states: 20s

                      I could easily see it degrading fast, need more data points but that certainly appears to be significant growth. The FreeBSD commit I linked in the Redmine above mentions factorial time (O(N!)) which would be quite bad in terms of efficiency.

                      We're working on getting a fix into a new build, it should be available soon.

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                        Trey @jimp
                        last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

                        Sounds greate. I did a ktrace und kdump on pfctl -ss

                        62033 pfctl    0.126404 CALL  mmap(0,0xa01000,0x3<PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE>,0x1002<MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON>,0xffffffff,0)
                         62033 pfctl    0.126446 RET   mmap 34374418432/0x800e00000
                         62033 pfctl    0.126700 CALL  ioctl(0x3,DIOCGETSTATESNV,0x7fffffffe410)
                         62033 pfctl    71.020411 RET   ioctl 0
                         62033 pfctl    71.020973 CALL  mmap(0,0x5000,0x3<PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE>,0x1002<MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANON>,0xffffffff,0)
                         62033 pfctl    71.020984 RET   mmap 34368081920/0x8007f5000
                        

                        It keeps 71 sec? (not so sure about how kdump time output) in ioctl(0x3,DIOCGETSTATESNV,0x7fffffffe410).... Does this confirm the nvlist bottleneck or is ioctl something else ?

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                          Trey @Trey
                          last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 7:45 PM

                          Okay, that is easy to answer:

                          Add DIOCGETSTATESNV, an nvlist-based alternative to DIOCGETSTATES.

                          Also from netgate: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D30243

                          So this should be it...

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                            Trey @Trey
                            last edited by Jun 15, 2021, 7:54 PM

                            Okay just as scrolling through the kdump output of pfctl -ss .... has netgate some developer for the pfctl binary? Because from my small understanding it always reads two files from the filesystem for each state... 2400 states x reading 2 files...

                            For me it looks a little insane to not cache the "/etc/nsswitch.conf" and "/etc/protocols", as it should waste a lot of time... Perhaps not, because the os is caching it, but still seems like a good idea to cache all that stuff....

                            This is really executed for each state:

                            
                             62033 pfctl    71.128083 CALL  fstatat(AT_FDCWD,0x80032b331,0x7fffffffe240,0)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128086 NAMI  "/etc/nsswitch.conf"
                             62033 pfctl    71.128091 STRU  struct stat {dev=159, ino=26564847, mode=0100644, nlink=1, uid=0, gid=0, rdev=53065152, atime=1623785215.468672000, mtime=1623781736.833527000, ctime=1623781736.833527000, birthtime=1623619006, size=188, blksize=32768, blocks=8, flags=0x0 }
                             62033 pfctl    71.128093 RET   fstatat 0
                             62033 pfctl    71.128096 CALL  open(0x80032e6b6,0x100000<O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC>)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128099 NAMI  "/etc/protocols"
                             62033 pfctl    71.128103 RET   open 4
                             62033 pfctl    71.128106 CALL  fstat(0x4,0x7fffffffdea0)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128108 STRU  struct stat {dev=159, ino=26564791, mode=0100644, nlink=1, uid=0, gid=0, rdev=53064232, atime=1623785215.488007000, mtime=1623619006, ctime=1623752821.339423000, birthtime=1623619006, size=6394, blksize=32768, blocks=16, flags=0x0 }
                             62033 pfctl    71.128110 RET   fstat 0
                             62033 pfctl    71.128112 CALL  read(0x4,0x80226bf80,0x8000)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128117 GIO   fd 4 read 4096 bytes
                                   "#
                            	# Internet protocols
                            	#
                            	# $FreeBSD$
                            	#	from: @(#)protocols	5.1 (Berkeley) 4/17/89
                            	#
                            	# See also http://www.iana.org/assignments/protocol-numbers
                            	#
                            	ip	0	IP		# internet protocol, pseudo protocol number
                            	#hopopt	0	HOPOPT		# hop-by-hop options for ipv6
                            	icmp	1	ICMP		# internet control message protocol
                            	igmp	2	IGMP		# internet group management protocol
                            	ggp	3	GGP		# gateway-gateway protocol
                            	ipencap	4	IP-ENCAP	# IP encapsulated in IP (officially ``IP'')
                            	st2	5	ST2		# ST2 datagram mode (RFC 1819) (officially ``ST'')
                            	tcp	6	TCP		# transmission control protocol
                            	cbt	7	CBT		# CBT, Tony Ballardie <A.Ballardie@cs.ucl.ac.uk>
                            	egp	8	EGP		# exterior gateway protocol
                            	igp	9	IGP		# any private interior gateway (Cisco: for IGRP)
                            	bbn-rcc	10	BBN-RCC-MON	# BBN RCC Monitoring
                            	nvp	11	NVP-II		# Network Voice Protocol
                            	pup	12	PUP		# PARC universal packet protocol
                            	argus	13	ARGUS		# ARGUS
                            	emcon	14	EMCON		# EMCON
                            	xnet	15	XNET		# Cross Net Debugger
                            	chaos	16	CHAOS		# Chaos
                            	udp	17	UDP		# user datagram protocol
                            	mux	18	MUX		# Multiplexing protocol
                            	dcn	19	DCN-MEAS	# DCN Measurement Subsystems
                            	hmp	20	HMP		# host monitoring protocol
                            	prm	21	PRM		# packet radio measurement protocol
                            	xns-idp	22	XNS-IDP		# Xerox NS IDP
                            	trunk-1	23	TRUNK-1		# Trunk-1
                            	trunk-2	24	TRUNK-2		# Trunk-2
                            	leaf-1	25	LEAF-1		# Leaf-1
                            	leaf-2	26	LEAF-2		# Leaf-2
                            	rdp	27	RDP		# "reliable datagram" protocol
                            	irtp	28	IRTP		# Internet Reliable Transaction Protocol
                            	iso-tp4	29	ISO-TP4		# ISO Transport Protocol Class 4
                            	netblt	30	NETBLT		# Bulk Data Transfer Protocol
                            	mfe-nsp	31	MFE-NSP		# MFE Network Services Protocol
                            	merit-inp	32	MERIT-INP	# MERIT Internodal Protocol
                            	dccp	33	DCCP		# Datagram Congestion Control Protocol
                            	3pc	34	3PC		# Third Party Connect Protocol
                            	idpr	35	IDPR		# Inter-Domain Policy Routing Protocol
                            	xtp	36	XTP		# Xpress Transfer Protocol
                            	ddp	37	DDP		# Datagram Delivery Protocol
                            	idpr-cmtp	38	IDPR-CMTP	# IDPR Control Message Transport Proto
                            	tp++	39	TP++		# TP++ Transport Protocol
                            	il	40	IL		# IL Transport Protocol
                            	ipv6	41	IPV6		# ipv6
                            	sdrp	42	SDRP		# Source Demand Routing Protocol
                            	ipv6-route	43	IPV6-ROUTE	# routing header for ipv6
                            	ipv6-frag	44	IPV6-FRAG	# fragment header for ipv6
                            	idrp	45	IDRP		# Inter-Domain Routing Protocol
                            	rsvp	46	RSVP		# Resource ReSerVation Protocol
                            	gre	47	GRE		# Generic Routing Encapsulation
                            	dsr	48	DSR		# Dynamic Source Routing Protocol
                            	bna	49	BNA		# BNA
                            	esp	50	ESP		# encapsulating security payload
                            	ah	51	AH		# authentication header
                            	i-nlsp	52	I-NLSP		# Integrated Net Layer Security TUBA
                            	swipe	53	SWIPE		# IP with Encryption
                            	narp	54	NARP		# NBMA Address Resolution Protocol
                            	mobile	55	MOBILE		# IP Mobility
                            	tlsp	56	TLSP		# Transport Layer Security Protocol
                            	skip	57	SKIP		# SKIP
                            	ipv6-icmp	58	IPV6-ICMP	icmp6	# ICMP for IPv6
                            	ipv6-nonxt	59	IPV6-NONXT	# no next header for ipv6
                            	ipv6-opts	60	IPV6-OPTS	# destination options for ipv6
                            	#	61			# any host internal protocol
                            	cftp	62	CFTP		# CFTP
                            	#	63			# any local network
                            	sat-expak	64	SAT-EXPAK	# SATNET and Backroom EXPAK
                            	kryptolan	65	KRYPTOLAN	# Kryptolan
                            	rvd	66	RVD		# MIT Remote Virtual Disk Protocol
                            	ippc	67	IPPC		# Internet Pluribus Packet Core
                            	#	68			# any distributed filesystem
                            	sat-mon	69	SAT-MON		# SATNET Monitoring
                            	visa	70	VISA		# VISA Protocol
                            	ipcv	71	IPCV		# Internet Packet Core Utility
                            	cpnx	72	CPNX		# Computer Protocol Network Executive
                            	cphb	73	CPHB		# Computer Protocol Heart Beat
                            	wsn	74	WSN		# Wang Span Network
                            	pvp	75	PVP		# Packet Video Protocol
                            	br-sat-mon	76	BR-SAT-MON	# Backroom SATNET Monitoring
                            	sun-nd	77	SUN-ND		# SUN ND PROTOCOL-Temporary
                            	wb-mon	78	WB-MON		# WIDEBAND Monitoring
                            	wb-expak	79	WB-EXPAK	# WIDEBAND EXPAK
                            	iso-ip	80	ISO-IP		# ISO Internet Protocol
                            	vmtp	81	VMTP		# Versatile Message Transport
                            	secure-vmtp	82	SECURE-VMTP	# SECURE-VMTP
                            	vines	83	VINES		# VINES
                            	ttp	84	TTP		# TTP
                            	#iptm	84	IPTM		# Protocol Internet Protocol Traffic
                            	nsfnet-igp	85	NSFNET-IGP	# NSFNET-IGP
                            	dgp	86	DGP		# Dissimilar Gateway Protocol
                            	tcf	87	TCF		# TCF
                            	eigrp	88	EIGRP		# Enhanced Interior Routing Protocol (Cisco)
                            	ospf	89	OSPFIGP		# Open Shortest Path First IGP
                            	sprite-rpc	90	Sprite-RPC	# Sprite RPC Protocol
                            	larp	91	LARP		# Locus Address Resolution Protocol
                            	mtp	"
                             62033 pfctl    71.128119 RET   read 6394/0x18fa
                             62033 pfctl    71.128125 CALL  close(0x4)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128129 RET   close 0
                             62033 pfctl    71.128137 CALL  write(0x1,0x802252000,0x4c)
                             62033 pfctl    71.128142 GIO   fd 1 wrote 76 bytes
                                   "all tcp 192.168.0.68:80 <- 192.168.11.7:50425       ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED
                                   "
                            
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                              mfld LAYER 8 @maverick_slo
                              last edited by mfld Jun 16, 2021, 3:34 AM Jun 16, 2021, 2:48 AM

                              I was about to open a thread here on the same before daring to touch redmine.

                              I noticed this thread on reddit.

                              Lo and behold I upgraded a 2.4.5-p1 to 2.5.2-RC and now the CPU is locked with high load from pfctl -ss.

                              System is virtual instance in KVM, single core, 1GB RAM. Less than half the RAM is used. No fancy packages. Normal workload service DNS recursion over tcp/853 and 53/udp averages 30-40k states out of 100k so it is not yet scaling.

                              In my case the states are mostly UDP connection from DNS clients. System used to handle 30-40k states like this without breaking a sweat and CPU utilization showing less than 10%. Now it handles around 1k states OK, once there are around 5k states it falls over.

                              screenshot at just under 5000 states

                              Cloned instance, upgraded to a 2.6.0 snapshot and see the same there.

                              I will try update to today's 2.5.2-RC build and see if it helps

                              Current Base System
                              2.5.2.r.20210613.1712
                              Latest Base System
                              2.5.2.r.20210615.1851

                              Edit2: Initially I came up with high load after updating to 2.5.2.r.20210615.1851 but this is because I had ~20k new connections coming in all at once after the reboot and this is a 5 dollar VPS so... Happy to report that having been live on 2.5.2.r.20210615.1851 for about 20 minutes now I am back to tens of thousands of states with "normal for my spec" load.

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                                maverick_slo
                                last edited by Jun 16, 2021, 4:39 AM

                                I just updated to latest build and issue is gone :)
                                Thanks!

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                                  mfld LAYER 8 @maverick_slo
                                  last edited by Jun 16, 2021, 4:43 AM

                                  And now I pray that https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/11545 will also make it into 2.5.2 🙏

                                  Big improvements from 2.5.0 to 2.5.2. I'd hazard a guess the crew did not 9-5 these past few weeks. #insomnia

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                                    jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                                    last edited by Jun 16, 2021, 12:30 PM

                                    Looks good for me here too on the latest build. I can't replicate any slowness on the latest build. I only had it up to about 1k states, but that was enough to see a significant impact previously.

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                                      Trey @jimp
                                      last edited by Jun 20, 2021, 10:11 AM

                                      @jimp

                                      After updating 4 day ago, no more problems, thanks

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                                        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                                        last edited by Jul 1, 2021, 8:53 PM

                                        There is a new snapshot up now (2.5.2.r.20210629.1350) which should be much better here. Update and give it a try.

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                                          Trey @jimp
                                          last edited by Jul 1, 2021, 9:01 PM

                                          @jimp

                                          I just updated. Anything outstanding to test or try? What specifically changed in this version regarding the pfctl problem?

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