HD interface on Watchguard X2500



  • Recently I had my CF die and had an old Hitachi ata 40GB lying around that I’ve installed pfsense on through a laptop.  So at this point it’s pretty much ready to drop into the Firebox except for one thing - after googling and reading how to boot from a hd I cannot get a good grip on how the hd actually interfaces with any of the connectors on the board.  There are essentially 3 connectors:  a 40 pin IDE connector, a 34 pin IDE connector and some type of connector that sits in the caddy that came with the device which also connects to the 34 pin via a very short IDE ribbon.  So my question is which connector should I be trying to interface with?  The one in the caddy (i don’t recognize what type it is)?  Or one of the IDEs directly?  I’ve attached a few pictures for reference.







  • Thanks - but that’s a 40 some odd paged thread that mentions numerous other topics and I wasn’t able to find any answers to get me closer to plugging in my drive.

    Does anyone know what the connector is called that is in the actual caddy?  It would be the one closest to the right in the 2nd pic I posted.



  • @jlibs:

    a 34 pin IDE connector and some type of connector that sits in the caddy that came with the device which also connects to the 34 pin via a very short IDE ribbon.

    Freshen up your computer history. There are no 34 pin IDE connectors, that’s likely a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shugart_bus for a floppy drive.



  • Its the same connector as in the Xe-boxes.  I had a couple that I purchased and used over the years but cannot recall what they were other than normally used in some earlier laptops to connect their hard drives…  This connector supplies power to the drive as well.

    Similar to this-  http://www.techpartswarehouse.com/product/DE-8267R-Dell-Laptop-Hard-DRive-Caddy-IDE-Adapter-Connector-for-Hard-Drive-Caddy-17034.cfm

    Mine had tabs on each end for mounting to the caddy.

    http://lypctech.com/parts.asp?cid=166

    Seems slightly different but its been a while.



  • From-  https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/PfSense_on_Watchguard_Firebox#Further_Enhancements_3

    HD caddy: The caddy slot in the X-e is the same as in the X-Peak and hence the same applies. It’s possible an official caddy was fitted in the SSL models, I’ve never seen one, but suitable laptop caddies fit. One laptop that had a suitable caddy is an ECS-320. In the UK it was sold rebadged as an Advent 7081 and also Patriot 2005. Possible models that used the same caddy are Advent 7086, 7094, and ECS 321. You need the metal tray that holds the HD and also the adapter that fits the socket on the motherboard.
    You can connect a hard drive without the caddy just using the adapter but you need to devise some other way of holding it. Dell use the adapter (or sufficiently similar) in a number of models, Dell part number: 6227U. It’s much easier to source than the complete ECS caddy.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dell+6227U

    ;D



  • Just bought one of these  - think I should be all set.  Thanks.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/261379511071


  • Netgate Administrator

    The caddy connector is not the same as the Xe/X-Peak box. It’s the opposite gender to start with. I never tried to fit a HD in the X-Core so I didn’t research it.

    That part you purchased looks like it has a fighting chance at least.  😉

    Steve



  • @stephenw10:

    The caddy connector is not the same as the Xe/X-Peak box. It’s the opposite gender to start with.

    That part you purchased looks like it has a fighting chance at least.  😉

    Steve

    Its been a while since I looked…  Seems though from memory that the two plugs looked like they wouldn’t work until I tried…  😮    Oh well.  Blast from the past at this point.

    Keep us updated Jlibs!  Inquiring minds want to know.  ;D


  • Netgate Administrator

    Yes, the were antique when I got one years ago!  ;D

    That box stopped booting a while back now, no way to test any more.  😞

    Steve



  • Ok - so I finally got the connector - took waaay too long to get here but besides the point.  However I don’t think this is going to work see the attached picture there is about a half inch (not even) of space left over after I plug the drive in.  The thing does fit flush it is just not wide enough to occupy the entire width of the x-core connector.  Any thoughts?



  • Netgate Administrator

    Not sure I ever saw a HD in an X-Core though they did some SSL models based on that and I think they had a HD.  😕

    Steve



  • I mean do you think I should try and boot it like that?


  • Netgate Administrator

    It seems unlikely to work. It may cause damage.

    Do the pins even line up, same spacing?

    Steve



  • Yeah not really - the pins on the connector I bought are larger than the connector on there.  Like I said it does seem to fit in there pretty well besides that gap but I’m obviously really skeptical about it not causing damage.  I think I may just end up buying another CF at this point. Unfortunately I have a very short depth wall mounted rack and my options outside of my budget other than the x-core are somewhat limited.


  • Netgate Administrator

    A new CF card is far safer. It sounds like that connector you have will either not work at all or actually cause damage.

    Steve



  • I would remove that connector completely and attach the drive directly to the board with a short cable, just make sure it has the right number of pins (44 not 34).



  • So I took Grimson’s advice and ended up ordering a 6" 44 PIN ribbon (one I had was too short) and was able to conjure up a pretty straight forward mounting solution for the drive as well.  However - I think I may have other problems as I’m not able to boot a new CF card nor the drive.  I’ve started a new post on that - just figured I’d let you all know.  Appreciate the replies on this thread however.

    https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=148139.msg804702#msg804702


 

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