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PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions

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    JKnott @jwhitewick01
    last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 4:18 AM

    @jwhitewick01

    Well, fire up wireshark, to see what's happening. Wireshark has a column for VLAN ID, but you have to enable it.

    PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
    i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
    UniFi AC-Lite access point

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      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
      last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 4:15 PM

      I assume you have those VLANs untagged on other ports on the switch where you testing connecting hosts to them?

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        NogBadTheBad @JKnott
        last edited by NogBadTheBad Feb 20, 2020, 4:25 PM Feb 20, 2020, 4:20 PM

        @JKnott said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

        @jwhitewick01

        Well, fire up wireshark, to see what's happening. Wireshark has a column for VLAN ID, but you have to enable it.

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        Andy

        1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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          JKnott @NogBadTheBad
          last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 4:30 PM

          @NogBadTheBad

          All I can see is there's no VLAN traffic at whatever point you're looking at. Are the VLANs configured on that interface? You'll have to do something to generate traffic on the VLANs, such as pinging a non-existent address. This will cause multiple ARP broadcasts, which give you something to watch for.

          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
          UniFi AC-Lite access point

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            NogBadTheBad
            last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 4:31 PM

            The ID column shows traffic tagged vlan 4, 5 & 6.

            Andy

            1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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              JKnott @NogBadTheBad
              last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 4:40 PM

              @NogBadTheBad

              Sorry, my mistake. I haven't had my morning beer yet. 😉

              So, you have VLANs enabled on that switch. Is that traffic coming from the switch where you're monitoring or is it being received by it? With managed switches, you can test at each end and then see what happens. So, if you see those tagged frames coming in, are they being sent out on the appropriate port? I see STUN packets. That implies VoIP or perhaps games? Where is that port you're monitoring in relation to your Internet connection. Hopefully, you're not trying to send VLAN frames out to the Internet.

              PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
              i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
              UniFi AC-Lite access point

              I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                NogBadTheBad @JKnott
                last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 5:00 PM

                @JKnott

                Yup vlan 4 is my IOT vlan and vlan 6 is VOIP, the screen shot was just to show @jwhitewick01 what to set as a column rule.

                I did a capture on my pfsense parent interface.

                Andy

                1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                  JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                  last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 5:10 PM

                  @NogBadTheBad

                  Then why is VLAN4 showing a STUN packet? That should be on VLAN6. Is that packet incoming to pfSense? Or outgoing? I also see a router advertisement on there. I assume that MAC address matches the pfSense port and you don't another router out on VLAN5. And that 172.16.6.1 is pfSense on VLAN6. There is at least some communication between 172.16.6.2 and .1 Is that .2 on the correct VLAN?

                  PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                  i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                  UniFi AC-Lite access point

                  I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                    NogBadTheBad
                    last edited by NogBadTheBad Feb 20, 2020, 5:43 PM Feb 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

                    The STUN packet would appear to be from my Apple-TV.

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                    I don't normally resolve hostnames.

                    The capture was done on my pfSense interface hence the RA.

                    Ah they do use STUN.

                    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202944

                    Andy

                    1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                      JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                      last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 6:02 PM

                      @NogBadTheBad

                      Whoever it it, it's a STUN packet on a VLAN that's supposed to be IoT, You'd normally only see STUN with VoIP or some games. Also, the VLAN IDs on pfSense don't appear to match up with those on the switch. They must be the same everywhere. So, if you have IoT on VLAN4 in pfSense, then it must also be VLAN4 on the switch trunk port.

                      PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                      i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                      UniFi AC-Lite access point

                      I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                        NogBadTheBad
                        last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 6:20 PM

                        The VLAN IDs are correct both end as I said previously "vlan 4 is my IOT vlan and vlan 6 is VOIP"

                        The STUN packets on vlan 4 are from 2 x Apple-TVs.

                        I'd see STUN packets on vlan 4 (IOT) and vlan 6 (VOIP).

                        Andy

                        1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                          JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                          last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 6:24 PM

                          @NogBadTheBad said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                          The VLAN IDs are correct both end

                          Then what's this?

                          Port 48 goes to my pfsense firewall

                          Untagged vlan 1 by default on port 48
                          Vlan 11 tagged on port 48
                          Vlan 12 tagged on port 48
                          Vlan 13 tagged on port 48

                          Those certainly don't look like 4, 5 & 6 to me.

                          PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                          i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                          UniFi AC-Lite access point

                          I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                            NogBadTheBad @JKnott
                            last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 6:27 PM

                            @JKnott said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                            @NogBadTheBad said in PfSense VLAN + switch tagging trunk questions:

                            The VLAN IDs are correct both end

                            Then what's this?

                            Port 48 goes to my pfsense firewall

                            Untagged vlan 1 by default on port 48
                            Vlan 11 tagged on port 48
                            Vlan 12 tagged on port 48
                            Vlan 13 tagged on port 48

                            Those certainly don't look like 4, 5 & 6 to me.

                            LOL I'm not @jwhitewick01 !

                            Andy

                            1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                              JKnott @NogBadTheBad
                              last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 6:35 PM

                              @NogBadTheBad

                              That's what happens when someone takes over anohter's thread.

                              Your trunk 4, for example, where is it supposed to go? Does it get there so that you can see those STUN packets arriving where they're supposed to? I don't know what you have and haven't seen much in useful info to help with whatever your problem is?

                              Scrolling back, the first post I see from you is in response to my suggestion that the OP use Wireshark. Why did you post a capture there? All you seem to be doing at that point is creating confusion.

                              Also, I don't know about others here, but I don't sit around watching a thread all day. I'm at my desk, with the forum open. I see when there's a new post in some thread and then read it, so I'm not paying close attention to what happened earlier. When you posted in the thread with only the capture and no other comment, what was I supposed to assume?

                              PfSense running on Qotom mini PC
                              i5 CPU, 4 GB memory, 32 GB SSD & 4 Intel Gb Ethernet ports.
                              UniFi AC-Lite access point

                              I haven't lost my mind. It's around here...somewhere...

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                                NogBadTheBad
                                last edited by NogBadTheBad Feb 21, 2020, 8:52 PM Feb 20, 2020, 6:41 PM

                                To show the @jwhitewick01 how to set a column up in wireshark.

                                Andy

                                1 x Netgate SG-4860 - 3 x Linksys LGS308P - 1 x Aruba InstantOn AP22

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                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by Feb 20, 2020, 7:18 PM

                                  Well that went off the rails 😉

                                  Let's wait to hear from jwhitewick01.

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                                    jwhitewick01 @stephenw10
                                    last edited by Feb 21, 2020, 5:57 PM

                                    @stephenw10 I will have to wait for this tuesday coming to go on site in order to test.

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