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Building a Stratum 1 NTP Server Using Raspberry Pi

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    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @kiokoman
    last edited by johnpoz Dec 5, 2020, 6:18 PM Dec 5, 2020, 6:04 PM

    What are you using to graph that like that? I would be up for getting a pi4 and the same hat to test.. Always up for fun projects ;)

    Trying to find an excuse to get a 4 ;) hehehe

    You seem to be pretty for out on the same hat I have, your ublox

         remote                                   refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
    =======================================================================================================
    *SHM(1)                                  .PPS.            0 l    2   16  377   0.0000  -0.3426   0.0026
    

    Is the hat you got.. You had to solder?
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      kiokoman LAYER 8 @johnpoz
      last edited by kiokoman Dec 5, 2020, 6:27 PM Dec 5, 2020, 6:23 PM

      @johnpoz
      that is telegraf sending to grafana
      grafana sitting on another raspberry ..
      https://www.adafruit.com/product/2324
      https://www.waveshare.com/max-m8q-gnss-hat.htm

      adafruit need soldering this but it's easy
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        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @kiokoman
        last edited by Dec 5, 2020, 7:49 PM

        Are those values actually in milliseconds or is it microseconds and just mislabeled?

        Steve

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          kiokoman LAYER 8 @stephenw10
          last edited by Dec 5, 2020, 8:12 PM

          @stephenw10
          the values from ntpq afaik is milliseconds ?

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            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @kiokoman
            last edited by Dec 6, 2020, 12:05 AM

            Yes, it reads in milliseconds but that can get confusing when is shows a value like 0.001 (1μs).

            Values in microseconds are what you should expect if PPS is working.

            Less than 1μs is impressive. I generally see between 1-2μs here.

            Steve

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              q54e3w @kiokoman
              last edited by Dec 6, 2020, 1:12 AM

              @kiokoman said in Building a Stratum 1 NTP Server Using Raspberry Pi:

              and it drift up and down very mutch during the day compare to the adafruit

              Is your device thermally stable, without some kind of TCXO its likely drift. I see fluctuations around 11am to 4pm as the sun hits the room where my timing hardware is located. Temperature corrected devices are unaffected.

              Also, different drivers are very likely to introduce different levels of performance so try and ensure you are using same drivers (type 22 PPS vs SHM type 28 etc).

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                kiokoman LAYER 8 @q54e3w
                last edited by kiokoman Dec 6, 2020, 11:03 AM Dec 6, 2020, 10:59 AM

                yeah, i'm using only type 20 and type 22
                but i think i was finally able to find a configuration that suits it

                http://www.philrandal.co.uk/blog/archives/04-01-2019_04-30-2019.html
                with some minor adjustment

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                  kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                  last edited by kiokoman Dec 12, 2020, 9:27 PM Dec 11, 2020, 9:41 PM

                  @tman222

                  I'll answer your question about nohz
                  it does not work on raspberry pi 4 + raspbian
                  the kernel isn't configured to allows the nohz parameter to work
                  also, I found that you can only use
                  flag 3 0 (use the ntpd clock discipline)
                  and not
                  flag 3 1 (use the kernel discipline)
                  for PPS
                  if you try to use flag 3 1 you see in the syslog this:

                  refclock_params: time_pps_kcbind: Operation not supported
                  

                  this is because the kernel is compiled without CONFIG_NTP_PPS

                  Immagine.jpg

                  obviusly
                  as a good nerd I recompiled ... 😑

                  this is ublox now

                  server 127.127.20.0 mode 89 iburst prefer minpoll 2 maxpoll 4
                  fudge 127.127.20.0 flag1 1 flag3 1 time1 0.0 time2 0.025 refid GPS
                  
                  pi@raspberrypi3:~/linux $ uname -a
                  Linux raspberrypi3 4.19.118-v7lntp+ #1 SMP Fri Dec 11 14:42:08 CET 2020 armv7l GNU/Linux
                  
                  pi@raspberrypi3:~/linux $ ntpq -crv -pn
                  status=041d leap_none, sync_uhf_radio, 1 event, kern,
                  version="ntpd ntpsec-1.1.3 2019-11-18T06:04:00Z", processor="armv7l", system=" Linux/4.19.118-v7lntp+", leap=00, stratum=1, precision=-20, rootdelay=0.0, rootdisp=2.18, refid=GPS, reftime=e37e600c.8bd6769d 2020-12-11T21:15:56.546Z,
                  clock=e37e6018.d0a57250 2020-12-11T21:16:08.815Z, peer=11020, tc=4, mintc=0, offset=7.8e-05, frequency=-18.907623, sys_jitter=0.000277, clk_jitter=0.000728, clk_wander=0.001816, tai=37, leapsec="2017-01-01T00:00Z",
                  expire="2021-06-28T00:00Z"
                       remote                                   refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
                  =======================================================================================================
                  oNMEA(0)                                 .GPS.            0 l   12   16  377   0.0000   0.0001   0.0003
                  

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                      tman222
                      last edited by Oct 27, 2021, 3:23 PM

                      Hi all -

                      Wanted to follow up on this thread as I recently acquired a Stratum 1 NTP server for my network (LeoNTP - very cool little device). Currently, I have it setup as the only NTP time server on pfSense (i.e. no other servers are configured). Is this an acceptable setup, or should I be adding a few additional public Stratum 1 servers as a sanity check, and set the LeoNTP device as the preferred server? I realize with just one server I don't have any redundancy, but is that the only main drawback? Thanks in advance!

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                        kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                        last edited by kiokoman Oct 27, 2021, 5:33 PM Oct 27, 2021, 5:32 PM

                        @tman222
                        if I remember correctly you need at least 3 good ntp server on the list to see if the leontp is working correctly
                        without any reference you don't know if the time is correct

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                          q54e3w @tman222
                          last edited by Oct 27, 2021, 6:36 PM

                          @tman222 I run a few Pi based GPS devices that don't offer the same accuracy, and a few external sources for backup. The LeoNTP takes precedence as primary source of time due to its accuracy.

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                            tman222
                            last edited by Oct 27, 2021, 6:41 PM

                            Thanks @kiokoman and @q54e3w, I really appreciate the help and advice. Do either of you use the "prefer" keyword on your local NTP server(s), or do you leave the server choice solely to the selection algorithm? Thanks again.

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                              kiokoman LAYER 8 @tman222
                              last edited by Oct 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

                              @tman222
                              this is my config for the ublox

                              server 127.127.20.0 mode 89 iburst prefer minpoll 2 maxpoll 4
                              fudge 127.127.20.0 flag1 1 flag3 1 time1 0.0 time2 0.025 refid GPS
                              
                              tos mindist 0.060
                              
                              server 192.168.10.200
                              server 151.3.106.211
                              server ntp1.inrim.it
                              server ntp2.inrim.it
                              pool 0.it.pool.ntp.org
                              pool 1.it.pool.ntp.org
                              

                              this is the results

                              remote                          refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset   jitter
                              ========================================================================================
                              oNMEA(0)                        .GPS.            0 l   11   16  377   0.0000   0.0002   0.0003
                              +192.168.10.200                 .GPS.            1 u   42   64  377   0.0996  -0.0002   0.0149
                              +151.3.106.211                  .GPS.            1 u   40   64  377  24.2144   0.1478   0.9674
                              -193.204.114.232                .CTD.            1 u   59   64  377  25.2698  -4.7052   0.3729
                              +193.204.114.233                .CTD.            1 u   49   64  377  12.5229   0.0942   0.3967
                               0.it.pool.ntp.org              .POOL.          16 p    -  256    0   0.0000   0.0000   0.0010
                               1.it.pool.ntp.org              .POOL.          16 p    -  256    0   0.0000   0.0000   0.0010
                              -37.247.53.178                  193.204.114.233  2 u   57   64  377  11.9465   1.0424   0.6543
                              -162.159.200.123                10.20.14.167     3 u   37   64  377  25.2151   0.8878   0.4707
                              +212.45.144.206                 193.204.114.232  2 u    9   64  377  10.5258   0.5104   0.3046
                              

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