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Multiple Gateways on same subnet

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    dr_tech
    last edited by Sep 12, 2020, 7:31 PM

    @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

    I suggest you try to install only one WAN interface first

    I did that, and until that point it works fine. (Pleas refer to my previous post)

    As soon as I add the second gateway, and set up the firewall rules to divert traffic through the second gateway, I stop seeing the first hop as the IP of pfSense.

    @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

    all traffic was being routed through the pfSense box :

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    (Only the first gateway - 10.1.0.1 Campus Network Installed)

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      DaddyGo @dr_tech
      last edited by Sep 12, 2020, 7:35 PM

      @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

      Pleas refer to my previous post

      try something please do this:

      a1475b14-b1b4-4abf-90f8-39e284051576-image.png

      Cats bury it so they can't see it!
      (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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        dr_tech
        last edited by Sep 12, 2020, 7:36 PM

        @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

        try something please do this:

        I have already set it as automatic, the moment I added a second gateway.

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          DaddyGo @dr_tech
          last edited by DaddyGo Sep 12, 2020, 7:38 PM Sep 12, 2020, 7:38 PM

          @dr_tech

          What is this.......LAN /16???

          400f88c9-59a2-44fb-b8d4-4611a27a8a01-image.png

          +++edit:
          do you want to say / 24

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            dr_tech
            last edited by Sep 12, 2020, 7:41 PM

            @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

            do you want to say / 24

            No, I meant that the subnet for my LAN is 255.255.0.0, not the default /24 block. But regardless, even if I try the 24 block, I face the same issue.

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              DaddyGo @dr_tech
              last edited by Sep 12, 2020, 7:44 PM

              @dr_tech

              Ohhh...OK

              if you think,..... I have a couple of lab pfSense units, I'll try to model your problem tomorrow...
              we have saturday night at 9pm and my wife is waiting with a bottle of wine...

              is this right for you?

              btw:
              what is a brief description of your hardware?

              Cats bury it so they can't see it!
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                dr_tech
                last edited by dr_tech Sep 12, 2020, 7:51 PM Sep 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

                @DaddyGo said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                we have saturday night at 9pm

                Sure, Have a nice weekend !!

                My hardware :
                Router 1 (College Router) : Asus RT-AC53 (10.1.0.1)
                Router 2 (ISP Router): TP-Link Archer C1200 (10.1.0.2)

                pfSense: Running on VMWare ESXi (with an Intel i350-T4 passed through)
                Port 1 : Input from Asus RT-AC53
                Port 2 : Connected to a Switch (pfSense LAN 192.168.1.0/24)

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                  kkrazyken @dr_tech
                  last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 1:07 PM

                  @dr_tech Where is your connection from pfSense to the ISP router?

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                    dr_tech
                    last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 1:24 PM

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                      dr_tech @kkrazyken
                      last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 1:26 PM

                      @kkrazyken
                      Router 1 and Router 2 are connected to each other (DHCP turned off on router 2). This was so that I could just switch the gateway address on my phone/laptop to access blocked websites quickly, without changing the network.

                      That is the reason why Router 1 is at 10.1.0.1/16 and Router 2 at 10.1.0.2/16.

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                        kkrazyken @dr_tech
                        last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 1:43 PM

                        @dr_tech I see, two Gateways on the same WAN interface. On the WAN interface page, what is the GW set to there? Does changing it make a difference?

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                          JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator
                          last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 2:02 PM

                          As @johnpoz likes to say, that setup is bonkers ;)

                          Yes you can use multiple gateways on a single WAN that's right, but it makes things complicated, as PF rules are setup to e.g. reply on the interface. But reply-to whom? The GW that is set up with the WAN IF is used primarily for many thing. If that's not the wanted you have to get those two Gateways to separate interfaces and add a second WAN interface to properly use MultiWAN the right way. Why are both gateways in the same subnet anyways? Is that necessary for anyone?

                          I'd change the IP of the second WAN (the ISP one) and set it up as an additional WAN(2). That way all routing and forwarding functionality can work the right way right from the start including Gateway Groups or port forwardings that otherwise are hard to make work.

                          Don't forget to upvote 👍 those who kindly offered their time and brainpower to help you!

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by johnpoz Sep 14, 2020, 2:18 PM Sep 14, 2020, 2:16 PM

                            not bonkers - borked ;) hehhe

                            https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=borked

                            I'd change the IP of the second WAN (the ISP one) and set it up as an additional WAN(2).

                            This is the correct answer... But doesn't explain why the pfsense lan drops out of the the trace.. So clearly there is info from this puzzle that is missing.

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                              dr_tech
                              last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 3:18 PM

                              So putting the gateways on separate subnets (hence IF) did in fact solve my issue, as reported here : https://forum.netgate.com/topic/156788/possible-to-select-gateway-based-on-url?_=1600096323225

                              @JeGr said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                              But reply-to whom

                              Maybe the mystery lies here in.

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                                JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator
                                last edited by Sep 14, 2020, 3:21 PM

                                @dr_tech said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                                So putting the gateways on separate subnets (hence IF) did in fact solve my issue, as reported here

                                You are opening another can of worms with incorrect subnet boundaries. Why not simply reconfigure those routers, too and why do they even have to talk to each other. That's a recipe for a (routing) desaster waiting to happen.

                                Don't forget to upvote 👍 those who kindly offered their time and brainpower to help you!

                                If you're interested, I'm available to discuss details of German-speaking paid support (for companies) if needed.

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                                  dr_tech @JeGr
                                  last edited by dr_tech Sep 14, 2020, 3:37 PM Sep 14, 2020, 3:24 PM

                                  @JeGr said in Multiple Gateways on same subnet:

                                  Why not simply reconfigure those routers

                                  Because some devices (not mine) directly connected to router 1 have in their routing table certain rules to redirect traffic through 10.1.0.4. Hence those routers need to be on the same subnet.

                                  These routers are shared by around 20 people, in 4 rooms on single floor. Hence I cannot change settings on those routers.

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