J1900 performance
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@viragomann yes, there are a lot of newer and higher performing devices than J1900. The point was that the J1900 hangs around because for much of the world they are the cheapest option by a margin large enough to be significant if someone's on a budget. (For US customers an APU2 is cheaper, but internationally might cost 2x the J1900.) If the J1900 is fast enough for what you're trying to do, it can be hard to justify spending more whether or not you get more. Personally, my home firewall spends most of its life sitting around mostly idle, and if I got a faster one it would just be more idle. (For the record, it isn't a J1900, and I'm not speculating in J1900 futures. :) )
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@VAMike
What about the missing AES-NI instructions on the J1900 (and future proofing)
I know it's not a pre-req for 2.5 anymore, but ...I would rather pay a little more for a i3-7100U , than getting a unit that migbt be obsolete in 2 years.
But as you say , if there is a really tight budget .. The J1900 wound prob. do for a year or two.
/Bingo
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@bingo600 If you are doing straight firewalling, no vpn, then crypto performance is meaningless. If you're doing something that does require crypto performance, than that would obviously be a factor.
In general, "future proofing" in this industry is a waste of money. If you can buy something that lasts 2 years (and realistically, there's probably no reason a J1900 firewall couldn't last 5 years, or 10 years unless you suddenly get a major bandwidth boost--home firewall just isn't a hard problem) it'll almost certainly be cheaper to buy something better later when you need it than it is to buy that same level of performance now. And there's a really good chance that whatever drives you to need to upgrade a few years down the line is something you couldn't/didn't anticipate now, so you'd have to buy another one even if you had overspec'd today. This is even more true for highly integrated devices than for larger builds, because incremental upgrades tend to be really hard. For example, if your big future ISP upgrade requires a 2.5 or 5gbps interface and your SBC router only has 1gbps interfaces, it doesn't matter if the CPU powerful enough to do 10gbps--you're going to end up needing a new device. Or maybe the hot thing will be some kind of 6G internet that you can only really take advantage of if you plug an adapter in via USB 3.8gen57 or thunderbolt and you're stuck with old school USB 3.0. (High speed external adapters tend to not be a focus area for current-gen mini-pc routers...)
In the end, if getting an i3-7100U works for you, great, get that. My pushback is against the notion that anyone who doesn't must be stupid.
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@VAMike said in J1900 performance:
If you are doing straight firewalling, no vpn, then crypto performance is meaningless. If you're doing something that does require crypto performance, than that would obviously be a factor.
I'm a bit confused here.
While your statement above is correct, i was under the impression that the early announcement of 2.5 with the AES-NI requirement.
Would have prevented you from upgrading to 2.5.IMHO that would have meant that we're not talking about crypto performance anymore. But about being able to use (upgrade to) the latest pfSense software.
/Bingo
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@bingo600 there was a later announcement that AES-NI would not be required. I bought an E3845 because of that, and gave it away as the newer J1900 h/w run much cooler and didn't make any difference for me and small family. JKnott did say he was the only user, so hard to imagine how he will stress the box more than my small home/office environment.
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I just got my 500/20 Mb modem set up. I get 559.79 down and 21.63 up. Did my message appear faster?
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@JKnott said in J1900 performance:
I get 559.79 down and 21.63 up on a 500/20 Mb service.
Hey... that's cheating!
:)
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@VAMike
it'll almost certainly be cheaper to buy something better later when you need it than it is to buy that same level of performance nowSeeing the trends during this past 6 months of COVID madness, where even the el-cheepo worlds most crappy 360p webcams got a 10x price hike in the March timeframe, I would say for sure there is no such electronics that hasnt faced a significant price increase due to high demand. So its a naive thing to say prices will go down in the future. I would say the opposite: anything that you can buy today at a reasonable price, will only be more expensive next year, because of vendor greediness.
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@soder said in J1900 performance:
@VAMike
it'll almost certainly be cheaper to buy something better later when you need it than it is to buy that same level of performance nowSeeing the trends during this past 6 months of COVID madness, where even the el-cheepo worlds most crappy 360p webcams got a 10x price hike in the March timeframe, I would say for sure there is no such electronics that hasnt faced a significant price increase due to high demand. So its a naive thing to say prices will go down in the future. I would say the opposite: anything that you can buy today at a reasonable price, will only be more expensive next year, because of vendor greediness.
Well, it's fairly easy to see that the costs for various fw/router products haven't increased by 10x, so the rest of your point is simply unfounded.
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@VAMike webcams prices did, so your conclusion against the generic continuous price increase I said in the 2nd part is not applicable. Not arguing, but routers wont be cheaper next year.
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@soder said in J1900 performance:
@VAMike webcams prices did, so your conclusion against the generic continuous price increase I said in the 2nd part is not applicable. Not arguing, but routers wont be cheaper next year.
Well, if you weren't just bits on the internet I'd take your bet. You keep arguing based on a temporary supply/demand driven price spike which is basically a strawman argument and I'm arguing based on specing/buying computer hardware for decades. Also you're kind of glossing over a key point: price points will tend to be somewhat stable, but price for a given level of performance drops as capabilities are improved on new products. And with that I'm done the back and forth.
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@akuma1x said in J1900 performance:
@JKnott said in J1900 performance:
I get 559.79 down and 21.63 up on a 500/20 Mb service.
Hey... that's cheating!
:)
Here's what I get today.
My ISP has generally provided better than advertised performance. Also, I got this as part of a bundle to upgrade to IPTV and in the process my bill will decrease by about $60-70 per month.
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The Qotom Q515G6 with the Celeron 3865U is well worth the extra cost IMO. It's a much newer generation, supports AES-NI, has much better IPC, uses less power in practice and generates less heat.
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@bradsm87 said in J1900 performance:
The Qotom Q515G6 with the Celeron 3865U is well worth the extra cost IMO. It's a much newer generation, supports AES-NI, has much better IPC, uses less power in practice and generates less heat.
According to this, it does not support AES-NI.
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Intel says that it do
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/96507/intel-celeron-processor-3865u-2m-cache-1-80-ghz.html
Weird .... That Qotom says it doesn't.
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That page I linked to is one of those d*mned annoying sites that won't stay still. When I first linked to it, on a Google search, the page that appeared it said it wasn't supported. Search on Qotom Q515G6 and take the first link.
Don't the people who develop those horrible sites understand that it makes it useless for trying to nail down info? They must be one of those "form over function" idiots who think a pretty site is more important than a useful one.
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No you misunderstod my post.
The page you links to says AES-NI : NOBut the page i linked to : Intel Processor specs - Says AES-NI: YES
So either the Chinese have made a "Clone" where they destroyed AES-NI
Or they "again" have no clue whet they're "Cut & Past'ing" on their product pages./Bingo
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They could have disabled it in the BIOS. Or maybe via a pin. Or maybe used CPUs from bin Z that have failed an AES test.
But probably just copy pasta.Steve
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That machine will do 500/20 and gigabit on the LAN side without issue. Even though the hardware is old, its more than powerful enough to handle routing traffic and doing basic firewall duty. However, for the ~100 dollars less you can get a used office machine on ebay with an i5, or if youre lucky i7, 4th or 5th gen + a 4 port intel NIC, and at the benefit of having standard hardware and a standard form factor should something go wrong or you want to upgrade in the future (10gbe nic or something like that). But of course it wont be as small or absolutely silent, and it will draw a few cents more power every month.
If space and power consumption arent factors, i'd go with a used PC since it wins on every other quality. -
The Q515G6 does support AES-NI. It is a mistake on the web site. Iāve used about 6 of them now. The Aliexpress listings state that they do too.
