wifi 6 card compatiility

milou

Hi
I want to buy a mini PCIe for pfsense 2.5
My firewall is a HUNSN RM02

Which wifi 6 card compatiility is it possible to buy?
Intel card ?

Thanks a lot

NogBadTheBad

@milou Buy an access-point, FreeBSD WiFi support sucks.

https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.0R/hardware/

milou

@nogbadthebad
Thanks a lot for your response but I don't want buy separate access point.

I want a wifi card into my firewall mini PCIe

NogBadTheBad

@milou Good luck then FreeBSD / pfSense doesn’t support WiFi6.

johnpoz

freebsd support for wifi 5 - I don't even think is a thing. Let alone 6.

freebsd and wifi not a good mix.. The suggest advice of getting an AP to use is be the best advice your going to get to be honest.

Take whatever money you were going to spend on some card, and put it towards your AP.. You will be way happier in the long for sure.

Combining the AP with the router has never been a good idea - for starters it rarely allows you to correctly place the AP for best coverage.. And even if you can, doesn't look very good.

If you want good wifi, ie you talking 6 for example. Then get a AP that supports that, that you can actually place where it best makes sense for best coverage of the area you want wifi in. If you need more coverage - you get more AP.. etc..

edit: Do you have wifi6 devices, while its always fun to have the latest and greatest new thing on the market. Unless you have devices, that will actually take advantage of it. That you will even be able to notice/use correctly. I wouldn't jump on that bandwagon quite yet to be honest. What is the make up of all your wifi devices? Most iot sort of device only do 2.4 for example.. What are you using for wifi now?

stephenw10

Yup, .ac should be along soon (hopefully!) but right now the best you can do is an 802.11N 3x3 card for a theoretical max link speed of 450Mbps.
Use an external AP unless you really have a good reason not to. Or are just doing it for fun.

Steve

johnpoz

@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:

max link speed of 450Mbps.

That all said and good ;) What clients have 3x3? Your phone? Your tablet? Your laptop? Iot devices?

They love to throw out these phy values - that are very unlikely to ever be seen or used in real world.. For 450 to be possible you would also need to be using 40 VHT.. Which is not a an official standard for 2.4 N, and almost never without issues trying to leverage it.. A more realistic high end phy for 2.4 is 144.4.. (2 streams, 20 VHT) So real world with a 2 stream client you typical see in the 70mbps range.. The use of 5ghz N on freebsd has been problematic as well, in the past.. Maybe that has been overcome? And you could see a 300 PHY?

While sure it might be "fun" for some people to use a crappy wifi connection with a speed less than fast ethernet ;) I am more in the line of having fun having good stable wifi, with speeds reflective of current technology..

To be honest some $20 wifi router used as AP would give you a better experience then trying to do wifi AP on your freebsd router..

stephenw10

Yeah, like I said...for fun!

I have seen over 300Mbps in a real test to an Atheros 3x3 N card from a MBP. When it was very close. And there were no other clients. One time!

Steve

johnpoz

@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:

have seen over 300Mbps in a real test to an Atheros 3x3 N card from a MBP

Was a calculation error in what you were using to do the math ;)

Even with 3 streams, and 450 PHY... lets call it 60% of PHY for real world.. Your at 270.. For 300 you would be at 67% of PHY.. There is no way that could be sustained, even if was a instantaneous value for a few packets, etc..

Your definition of fun is different than mine lets say ;) hehehe - getting shit speeds on old tech, just because can get it to work isn't my idea of fun.. When can get current speeds for $20 and really zero effort..

stephenw10

Indeed, for some definitions of "fun".

I'd have to lookup that test, I remember being impressed at the time, I must have noted it somewhere. Can't argue with math though!
I recall specifically it was faster than the previous best I had seen with a 2x2 card which implied the client must be using it. I hadn't really expected it.

stephenw10

.....and the math doesn't lie!

I was actually seeing ~215Mbps from an indicated 405Mbps link speed.
That was still ~30% faster than the 2x2 card I had been using. That was over 3 years ago.

That was using a SparkLAN WPEA-127N (AR9380 3x3:3) which is still about the best card you will find that pfSense can use.

Steve

johnpoz

@stephenw10 said in wifi 6 card compatiility:

I was actually seeing ~215Mbps from an indicated 405Mbps link speed.

That is believable ;)

Don't get me wrong.. Playing with different hardware and seeing what it can do, would fall into my list of fun as well..

But I don't take it that is what the OP is actually looking to do. And in my personal opinion - putting any sort of wifi card into your router, even if it was latest and greatest AX capable. Which clearly its not going to be with freebsd as the base os.. To use as your wifi AP for your network is exercise in futility.. And not going to provide anywhere close to the wifi experience you could have with doing it correctly with actual APs

Other than playing around.. What is fun is a stable, fast, reliable wifi network for all of your devices.. That you really should never have to mess with.. And your devices connect to without issue and good signal no matter where they are at in the house.. Be it in the same room with your router, or in the west wing library ;) Now maybe you get that with some wifi card you put in your router.. But from experience - that is not very likely.. Save yourself a lot of grief and future issues, and take whatever money you were going to put towards some card to stick in your router and get an actual AP.. Or even some off the shelf wifi router you use as just an AP..

milou

I thank you for these various and varied responses.
I don't want to be convinced to buy an access point. I already know this subject perfectly.

I have devices that use 2.4 and 5 Ghz

I just ask if there is a mini pcie card for wifi6.
Otherwise which card compatible in recent version wifi 5 2.4 and 5Ghz

Since this card SparkLAN WPEA-127N (AR9380 3x3:3), Is there a better, newer wifi card? faster?

Thanks a lot

stephenw10

No. Not one that is currently supported. No 802.11AX. No 802.11AC.

NogBadTheBad

@milou As I mentioned previously look here:-

https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.0R/hardware/

milou

@nogbadthebad
Wireless Network Interfaces

[amd64, i386] Cisco/Aironet 802.11b wireless adapters (4an(4) driver)

The ath(4) driver supports all Atheros Cardbus and PCI cards, except those that are based on the AR5005VL chipset.

The bwi(4) driver supports Broadcom BCM43xx based wireless devices, including:

Apple Airport Extreme

Apple Airport Extreme

ASUS WL-100g

ASUS WL-138g

Buffalo WLI-CB-G54S

Buffalo WLI-PCI-G54S

Compaq R4035 onboard

Dell Wireless 1390

Dell Wireless 1470

Dell Truemobile 1300 r2

Dell Truemobile 1400

HP nx6125

Linksys WPC54G Ver 3

Linksys WPC54GS Ver 2

TRENDnet TEW-401PCplus

US Robotics 5411

The bwi(4) driver uses the older v3 version of Broadcom’s firmware. While this older firmware does support most BCM43xx parts, the bwn(4) driver works better for the newer chips it supports. You must use the bwi(4) driver if you are using older Broadcom chipsets (BCM4301, BCM4303 and BCM4306 rev 2). The v4 version of the firmware that bwn(4) uses does not support these chips.

The bwn(4) driver supports Broadcom BCM43xx based wireless devices, including:

Apple Airport Extreme

ASUS WL-138g

Buffalo WLI-CB-G54S

Dell Wireless 1390

Dell Wireless 1470

Dell Truemobile 1400

HP Compaq 6715b

HP nx6125

Linksys WPC54G Ver 3

Linksys WPC54GS Ver 2

US Robotics 5411

[i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 MiniPCI network adapter (ipw(4) driver)

[i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG/2915ABG MiniPCI and 2225BG PCI network adapters (iwi(4) driver)

[i386, amd64] Intel Dual Band Wireless AC 3160/7260/7265 IEEE 802.11ac network adapters (iwn(4) driver)

[i386, amd64] Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN IEEE 802.11n PCI network adapters (iwn(4) driver)

[i386, amd64] Marvell Libertas IEEE 802.11b/g PCI network adapters (malo(4) driver)

Marvell 88W8363 IEEE 802.11n wireless network adapters (mwl(4) driver)

The otus(4) driver provices support for Atheros AR9170 USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters, including:

3Com 3CRUSBN275

Arcadyan WN7512

CACE AirPcap Nx

D-Link DWA-130 rev D1

D-Link DWA-160 rev A1

D-Link DWA-160 rev A2

IO-Data WN-GDN/US2

NEC Aterm WL300NU-G

Netgear WNDA3100

Netgear WN111 v2

Planex GW-US300

SMC Networks SMCWUSB-N2

TP-Link TL-WN821N v1, v2

Ubiquiti SR71 USB

Unex DNUA-81

Z-Com UB81

Z-Com UB82

ZyXEL NWD-271N

The ral(4) driver supports PCI/PCIe/CardBus wireless adapters based on Ralink Technology chipsets, including:

A-Link WL54H

A-Link WL54PC

AirLink101 AWLC5025

AirLink101 AWLH5025

Amigo AWI-914W

Amigo AWI-922W

Amigo AWI-926W

AMIT WL531C

AMIT WL531P

AOpen AOI-831

ASUS WL-107G

ASUS WL-130g

Atlantis Land A02-PCI-W54

Atlantis Land A02-PCM-W54

Belkin F5D7000 v3

Belkin F5D7010 v2

Billionton MIWLGRL

Canyon CN-WF511

Canyon CN-WF513

CC&C WL-2102

CNet CWC-854

CNet CWP-854

Compex WL54G

Compex WLP54G

Conceptronic C54RC

Conceptronic C54Ri

D-Link DWA-525 rev A2

Digitus DN-7001G-RA

Digitus DN-7006G-RA

E-Tech WGPC02

E-Tech WGPI02

Edimax EW-7108PCg

Edimax EW-7128g

Eminent EM3036

Eminent EM3037

Encore ENLWI-G-RLAM

Encore ENPWI-G-RLAM

Fiberline WL-400P

Fibreline WL-400X

Gigabyte GN-WI01GS

Gigabyte GN-WIKG

Gigabyte GN-WMKG

Gigabyte GN-WP01GS

Gigabyte GN-WPKG

Hawking HWC54GR

Hawking HWP54GR

iNexQ CR054g-009 (R03)

JAHT WN-4054P

JAHT WN-4054PCI

LevelOne WNC-0301 v2

LevelOne WPC-0301 v2

Linksys WMP54G v4

Micronet SP906GK

Micronet SP908GK V3

Minitar MN54GCB-R

Minitar MN54GPC-R

MSI CB54G2

MSI MP54G2

MSI PC54G2

OvisLink EVO-W54PCI

PheeNet HWL-PCIG/RA

Planex GW-NS300N

Pro-Nets CB80211G

Pro-Nets PC80211G

Repotec RP-WB7108

Repotec RP-WP0854

SATech SN-54C

SATech SN-54P

Sitecom WL-112

Sitecom WL-115

SMC SMCWCB-GM

SMC SMCWPCI-GM

SparkLAN WL-685R

Surecom EP-9321-g

Surecom EP-9321-g1

Surecom EP-9428-g

Sweex LC500050

Sweex LC700030

TekComm NE-9321-g

TekComm NE-9428-g

Unex CR054g-R02

Unex MR054g-R02

Zinwell ZWX-G160

Zinwell ZWX-G360

Zinwell ZWX-G361

Zonet ZEW1500

Zonet ZEW1600

The rsu(4) driver provices support for Realtek RTL8188SU/RTL8192SU USB IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters, including:

ASUS USB-N10

Belkin F7D1101 v1

D-Link DWA-131 A1

EDUP EP-MS150N(W)

Edimax EW-7622UMN

Hercules HWGUn-54

Hercules HWNUm-300

Planex GW-USNano

Sitecom WL-349 v1

Sitecom WL-353

Sweex LW154

TRENDnet TEW-646UBH

TRENDnet TEW-648UB

TRENDnet TEW-649UB

Realtek RTL8192C, RTL8188E, RTL8812A and RTL8821A based PCIe IEEE 802.11b/g/n wireless network adapters (MAN.RTWN.4rtwn(4) driver)

The rum(4) driver supports USB 2.0 wireless adapters based on the Ralink RT2501USB and RT2601USB chipsets, including:

3Com Aolynk WUB320g

Abocom WUG2700

Airlink101 AWLL5025

ASUS WL-167g ver 2

Belkin F5D7050 ver 3

Belkin F5D9050 ver 3

Buffalo WLI-U2-SG54HP

Buffalo WLI-U2-SG54HG

Buffalo WLI-U2-G54HP

Buffalo WLI-UC-G

CNet CWD-854 ver F

Conceptronic C54RU ver 2

Corega CG-WLUSB2GO

D-Link DWA-110

D-Link DWA-111

D-Link DWL-G122 rev C1

D-Link WUA-1340

Digitus DN-7003GR

Edimax EW-7318USG

Gigabyte GN-WB01GS

Gigabyte GN-WI05GS

Hawking HWUG1

Hawking HWU54DM

Hercules HWGUSB2-54-LB

Hercules HWGUSB2-54V2-AP

LevelOne WNC-0301USB v3

Linksys WUSB54G rev C

Linksys WUSB54GR

Planex GW-US54HP

Planex GW-US54Mini2

Planex GW-USMM

Senao NUB-3701

Sitecom WL-113 ver 2

Sitecom WL-172

Sweex LW053

TP-LINK TL-WN321G v1/v2/v3

The run(4) driver supports the following wireless adapters:

Airlink101 AWLL6090

ASUS USB-N11

ASUS USB-N13 ver. A1

ASUS USB-N66

ASUS WL-160N

Belkin F5D8051 ver 3000

Belkin F5D8053

Belkin F5D8055

Belkin F6D4050 ver 1

Belkin F9L1103

Buffalo WLI-UC-AG300N

Buffalo WLI-UC-G300HP

Buffalo WLI-UC-G300N

Buffalo WLI-UC-G301N

Buffalo WLI-UC-GN

Buffalo WLI-UC-GNM

Buffalo WLI-UC-GNM2

Corega CG-WLUSB2GNL

Corega CG-WLUSB2GNR

Corega CG-WLUSB300AGN

Corega CG-WLUSB300GNM

D-Link DWA-130 rev B1

D-Link DWA-140 rev B1, B2, B3, D1

D-Link DWA-160 rev B2

D-Link DWA-162

DrayTek Vigor N61

Edimax EW-7711UAn

Edimax EW-7711UTn

Edimax EW-7717Un

Edimax EW-7718Un

Edimax EW-7733UnD

Gigabyte GN-WB30N

Gigabyte GN-WB31N

Gigabyte GN-WB32L

Hawking HWDN1

Hawking HWUN1

Hawking HWUN2

Hercules HWNU-300

Linksys WUSB54GC v3

Linksys WUSB600N

Logitec LAN-W150N/U2

Mvix Nubbin MS-811N

Panda Wireless PAU06

Planex GW-USMicroN

Planex GW-US300MiniS

Sitecom WL-182

Sitecom WL-188

Sitecom WL-301

Sitecom WL-302

Sitecom WL-315

SMC SMCWUSBS-N2

Sweex LW303

Sweex LW313

TP-LINK TL-WDN3200

TP-LINK TL-WN321G v4

TP-LINK TL-WN727N v3

Unex DNUR-81

Unex DNUR-82

ZyXEL NWD2705

ZyXEL NWD210N

ZyXEL NWD270N

The uath(4) driver should work with the following adapters:

Compex WLU108AG

Compex WLU108G

D-Link DWL-G132

IODATA WN-G54/US

MELCO WLI-U2-KAMG54

Netgear WG111T

Netgear WG111U

Netgear WPN111

Olitec 000544

PLANET WDL-U357

Siemens Gigaset 108

SMC SMCWUSBT-G

SMC SMCWUSBT-G2

SparkLAN WL-785A

TP-Link TL-WN620G

TRENDware International TEW-444UB

TRENDware International TEW-504UB

Unex Technology UR054ag

ZyXEL XtremeMIMO M-202

An up to date list can be found at http://customerproducts.atheros.com/customerproducts/default.asp.

The upgt(4) driver supports USB 2.0 Conexant/Intersil PrismGT series wireless adapters based on the GW3887 chipset, among them:

Belkin F5D7050 (version 1000)

Cohiba Proto Board

D-Link DWL-G120 Cohiba

FSC Connect2Air E-5400 USB D1700

Gigaset USB Adapter 54

Inventel UR045G

Netgear WG111v1 (rev2)

SMC EZ ConnectG SMC2862W-G

Sagem XG703A

Spinnaker DUT

Spinnaker Proto Board

The ural(4) driver supports USB 2.0 wireless adapters based on the Ralink Technology RT2500USB chipset, including:

AMIT WL532U

ASUS WL-167g

Belkin F5D7050 v2000

Buffalo WLI-U2-KG54-AI

CNet CWD-854

Compex WLU54G 2A1100

Conceptronic C54RU

D-Link DWL-G122 b1

Dynalink WLG25USB

E-Tech WGUS02

Gigabyte GN-WBKG

Hercules HWGUSB2-54

KCORP LifeStyle KLS-685

Linksys WUSB54G v4

Linksys WUSB54GP v4

MSI MS-6861

MSI MS-6865

MSI MS-6869

NovaTech NV-902

OvisLink Evo-W54USB

SerComm UB801R

SparkLAN WL-685R

Surecom EP-9001-g

Sweex LC100060

Tonze UW-6200C

Zinwell ZWX-G261

Zonet ZEW2500P

An up to date list can be found at http://ralink.rapla.net/.

The urtw(4) driver supports Realtek RTL8187B/L based wireless network devices, including:

Belkin F5D7050E

Linksys WUSB54GCv2

Netgear WG111v2

Netgear WG111v3

Safehome WLG-1500SMA5

Shuttle XPC Accessory PN20

Sitecom WL168v1

Sitecom WL168v4

SureCom EP-9001-g(2A)

TRENDnet TEW-424UB V3.xR

[amd64, i386] Lucent Technologies WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11b wireless network adapters and workalikes using the Lucent Hermes, Intersil PRISM-II, Intersil PRISM-2.5, Intersil Prism-3, and Symbol Spectrum24 chipsets (wi(4) driver)

[i386, amd64] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG MiniPCI network adapters (wpi(4) driver)

The following devices are known to be supported by the zyd(4) driver:

3COM 3CRUSB10075

Acer WLAN-G-US1

Airlink+ AWLL3025

Airlink 101 AWLL3026

AOpen 802.11g WL54

Asus A9T integrated wireless

Asus WL-159g

Belkin F5D7050 v.4000

Billion BiPAC 3011G

Buffalo WLI-U2-KG54L

CC&C WL-2203B

DrayTek Vigor 550

Edimax EW-7317UG

Edimax EW-7317LDG

Fiberline Networks WL-43OU

iNexQ UR055g

Linksys WUSBF54G

Longshine LCS-8131G3

MSI US54SE

MyTek MWU-201 USB adapter

Philips SNU5600

Planet WL-U356

Planex GW-US54GZ

Planex GW-US54GZL

Planex GW-US54Mini

Safecom SWMULZ-5400

Sagem XG 760A

Sagem XG 76NA

Sandberg Wireless G54 USB

Sitecom WL-113

SMC SMCWUSB-G

Sweex wireless USB 54 Mbps

Tekram/Siemens USB adapter

Telegent TG54USB

Trendnet TEW-424UB rev A

Trendnet TEW-429UB

TwinMOS G240

Unicorn WL-54G

US Robotics 5423

X-Micro XWL-11GUZX

Yakumo QuickWLAN USB

Zonet ZEW2501

ZyXEL ZyAIR G-202

ZyXEL ZyAIR G-220

Miscellaneous Networks
The ce(4) driver supports the following models of Tau-PCI/32 WAN adapters:

Cronyx Tau-PCI/32

Cronyx Tau-PCI/32-Lite

The cx(4) driver supports the following cards:

Cronyx Sigma-22, Sigma-24

Cronyx Sigma-100

Cronyx Sigma-400, Sigma-401, Sigma-404, Sigma-410, Sigma-440

Cronyx Sigma-500

Cronyx Sigma-703

Cronyx Sigma-800, Sigma-801, Sigma-810, Sigma-840

The cp(4) driver supports the following models of Tau-PCI WAN adapters:

Cronyx Tau-PCI

Cronyx Tau-PCI/R

Cronyx Tau-PCI-L

Cronyx Tau-PCI-L/R

Cronyx Tau-PCI-E1

Cronyx Tau-PCI-G703

Cronyx Tau-PCI-2E1

Cronyx Tau-PCI-4E1

Cronyx Tau-PCI-E3

Cronyx Tau-PCI-T3

Cronyx Tau-PCI-STS1

The ctau(4) driver supports the following cards:

Cronyx Tau (RS-232/V.35)

Cronyx Tau/R (RS-530/RS-449)

Cronyx Tau/E1 (fractional E1)

Cronyx Tau/G703 (unframed E1)

johnpoz

Not sure why felt you needed to post that - but atleast put in a text box its not so freaking long ;)

I edit your post so its better for anyone to read that might..

milou

PFSense being in 2.5.1 with FreeBSD in 12.2, which WIFI PCIe card is compatible in recent generation to have 2.4 and 5 Ghz. At the moment, Wifi 6 is not accessible, but what could be recent?
The goal is to support my existing AP.

stephenw10

Still the same answer. Nothing has changed in that last 2 weeks.

There is no support 802.11AX or 802.11AC.

You can only use 802.11N and about the best card there is something based on an Atheros AR9380 chip.

Steve

milou

@stephenw10 Thanks for this prompt response
Are there other examples of more recent card Mini Pcie? and at Intel?