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      jcpingu @stephenw10
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      @stephenw10
      Thank you. I will advise latest status...

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        jcpingu @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10
        The good News:
        b022b744-34df-44b1-b57b-6840e82c4dca-image.png

        The not so good news, I am still seeing clock unsynchronized:
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          jcpingu @stephenw10
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          @stephenw10
          I was looking @ your example, and I see that it also shows this error:
          Jun 21 18:35:03 ntpd 56634 kernel reports TIME_ERROR: 0x41: Clock Unsynchronized

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Yes, I expect it to show that when ntpd is first started. It won't sync until sometime later when ntp is confident the time data it has is correct.
            Wait some time and recheck. Or it may have already sync'd there since it show an offset or effectively 0 (2μs) from the GPS time.

            Steve

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              jcpingu @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10
              Thank you for all your help. I truly appreciate your patience and kindness. I still see the error this morning. However ntpq -p is showing the right output. I am assuming there's nothing I can do about the error...
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              • bingo600B
                bingo600 @jcpingu
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                @jcpingu

                Have a look here
                https://serverfault.com/questions/1048870/ntpd-fails-to-sync-time-error-0x41-clock-unsynchronized

                Especially this command : ntpq -c sysinfo

                Normally as @stephenw10 mentioned , ntpd won't just accept a new clocksource , before investigating if it's "ok".

                I usually expect approx 5 minutes (after daemon start) for the daemon to "trust/select" a clocksource.

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                  jcpingu @bingo600
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                  @bingo600
                  Here's the output of that command. I will check out the link. Thanks...
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                    jcpingu @stephenw10
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                    @stephenw10
                    This is my ntp.conf file. Based on bingo600 comments above. Is there anything else that needs to happen here?

                    server 127.127.20.0 mode 81 minpoll 4 maxpoll 4 prefer
                    fudge 127.127.20.0 flag1 1 refid GPS

                    security

                    restrict default kod limited nomodify nopeer
                    restrict -6 default kod limited nomodify nopeer

                    Local users may interrogate the NTP server fully.

                    restrict 127.0.0.1
                    restrict -6 ::1

                    stats

                    driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift

                    Enable statistics logging.

                    statsdir /var/log/ntpstats/
                    statistics loopstats peerstats clockstats
                    filegen loopstats file loopstats type day enable
                    filegen peerstats file peerstats type day enable
                    filegen clockstats file clockstats type day enable

                    leap file

                    leapfile /var/lib/ntp/leap-seconds.list

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      No, I think it's working as expected.
                      That error will always appear when you restart ntpd for any reason. I would only vbe concerned if it is still logging new errors after running for some time.

                      Steve

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                      • bingo600B
                        bingo600 @jcpingu
                        last edited by bingo600

                        @jcpingu

                        Try to put in a few ntp pool servers for reference.

                        Add this to your ntp.conf

                        # Internet time servers for sanity
                        server 0.pool.ntp.org iburst prefer 
                        server 1.pool.ntp.org iburst 
                        server 2.pool.ntp.org iburst 
                        server 3.pool.ntp.org iburst
                        

                        From here:
                        http://doc.ntp.org/4.2.6/drivers/driver20.html

                        It seems like the $GNRMC is not a supported sentence , and that either
                        $GPZDA or $GPZDG must be sent for the NTP system to be fully autonomous. As in being able to set date/time fully via NTP.

                        What GPS model do you have ?
                        Is it from "China" ... Where most Ublox'es are "fakes"

                        This is not an "all bad" mesage , as the PPS still will keep your clock extremely accurate (sub seconds) . You just need a bit of help setting the seconds.

                        But it's strange that the nmea driver is so picky.
                        Maybe gpsd would help here

                        /Bingo

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                        • bingo600B
                          bingo600 @bingo600
                          last edited by bingo600

                          @bingo600

                          The NTP nmea refdriver doc is "buggy"

                          I just had a quick glance at the source
                          https://github.com/ntp-project/ntp/blob/master-no-authorname/ntpd/refclock_nmea.c

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                          And it's comparing the last 3 (4) characters in the sentence so any RMC works

                          And it seems like it's parsing/setting the date from RMC sentenses too.
                          The only thing ZDA is providing "extra" is YYYY vs YY from RMC.

                          c398f0a9-851a-409d-903c-f38f9d323831-image.png

                          It should be possible to make a working NTP system with just RMC sentences , if NTP has been updated to assume that YY (21) means 2021.
                          Which i expect the unfold_century function does.

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                            jcpingu @bingo600
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                            @bingo600 said in Building a Stratum 1 NTP Server Using Odroid C2:

                            ntp pool servers

                            Does it matter where the ntp pool servers are inserted in the ntp.conf file?

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                            • bingo600B
                              bingo600 @jcpingu
                              last edited by bingo600

                              @jcpingu

                              This guy puts it after the drift file

                              # Drift file to remember clock rate across restarts
                              driftfile /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift
                              # Servers
                              pool uk.pool.ntp.org iburst
                              

                              And have a look here
                              https://lintut.com/how-to-verify-ntp-setup-is-working-properly-in-linux-or-unix-server/

                              Verifying a stratum1 server might not be "super easy"

                              Use
                              ntpstat

                              My box says (No GPS installed) :

                              ntpstat
                              synchronised to NTP server (80.71.132.xxx) at stratum 2 
                                 time correct to within 48 ms
                                 polling server every 1024 s
                              
                              

                              And
                              ntpq -p

                              ntpq -p
                                   remote           refid      st t when poll reach   delay   offset  jitter
                              ==============================================================================
                              -n1.taur.xx      .PPS0.           1 u  753 1024  377    7.164   -0.397   0.383
                              *80.71.132.10x.i .GPS.            1 u  985 1024  377    1.862   -0.114   0.111
                              +mmo2.ntp.xx  .PPS.            1 u  141 1024  377    2.827   -0.571   0.479
                               5.103.139.163.s .GPS.            1 u   8d 1024    0    3.267    0.348   0.000
                              -82.180.61.122   193.204.114.233  2 u  735 1024  377   40.205    0.981   0.419
                              +grape.inet.xx.n 68.166.61.255    2 u  315 1024  377    1.207   -0.107   0.089
                              
                              

                              The peer with the * in front (here 80.71.132.10x.i ) is the one that is used (synced to) right now.

                              o = pps peer
                              * = sys peer
                              # = too distant
                              + = selected
                              x = false ticker
                              - = discarded
                              
                              

                              Show the output of your ntpq -p

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                                jcpingu @bingo600
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                                @bingo600
                                here's ntpq -p output
                                5e7ce23a-d697-4082-8c35-3fddfeaf0d2b-image.png

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                                  jcpingu @bingo600
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                                  @bingo600
                                  Here's systemctl status ntp output, still showing clock unsync error:
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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by stephenw10

                                    That error is when you started the ntp daemon. It has no data at that point, it will never sync. It's expected.

                                    That output from ntpq looks good. You just need to wait for more peers with greater reach values.

                                    Steve

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                                      jcpingu @stephenw10
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                                      @stephenw10
                                      My question now is do I really need these? or was my original ntp.conf was just fine without these...

                                      Internet time servers for sanity

                                      server 0.pool.ntp.org iburst prefer
                                      server 1.pool.ntp.org iburst
                                      server 2.pool.ntp.org iburst
                                      server 3.pool.ntp.org iburst

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                                      • stephenw10S
                                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                        I would keep some external servers defined. More sources in agreement is going to make ntp happier, faster 😉

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                                          jcpingu @stephenw10
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                                          @stephenw10
                                          Thank you

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