VLAN on D-link

bingo600

I'd do as @rcoleman-netgate says
Try to capture some packets on pfSense , while pinging the pfSense IF.
Both the way where it failed , and the way where you had succeed (Vlan1 ??)

Tip: Capture detailed/all , save the file. Then it can be opened in Wireshark.

RE:

But only communication between ports on VLAN40, I can't communicate with Port 1. In my head, it should have been tagged port, but this interface almost looks the oposite of what I find logic... But you are two people saying it looks normal, so I will go with that for now ;)

You could make P1 (or try w P2) a Tagged port.
The only difference as i see it (30 sec glimpse at the Dlink 15xx config example) , is that you can't run Native/untagged data on it.
So you have to TAG Vlan1 data also on the pfSense, aka Tag Vlan1 & Vlan40.

This would be my preference anyways (tagged only), i'll always avoid those Hybrid ports when not needed.
UniFI AP's springs to mind , as needs Hybrid ... Well at least in older fw.

And i tend to avoid Vlan1 use anywhere in my infrastructure .. Old working habbit.

Btw:
I saw a "View Allowed Vlans Button" on the pict with the Voan40 definition.
Does that give any clue .... Ie. Vlan40 not allowed

Edit:
You could also setup a "Monitoring port" on the switch , and connect a PC w. Wireshark to that one.

Here's how it's done on a D-Link 1210 , couldn't find anything for a 1510
https://eu.dlink.com/uk/en/support/faq/switches/layer-2-gigabit/dgs-series/es_dgs_1210_como_monitorear_trafico_de_un_puerto_port_mirroring

/Bingo

fireix

@bingo600 said in VLAN on D-link:

I saw a "View Allowed Vlans Button" on the pict with the Voan40 definition.

That's the button I click to get to this screen posten above - to verify the setup:
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"You could make P1 (or try w P2) a Tagged port."

That I have tried for days to do - based on everything I have read, that is the way it is done usually :) Port 1 is the main port to pfSense/Internet and is clearly a "tagged" candidate. But when I edit the VLAN40 and select Port 1 Tagged port in the screen below, it doesn't stick when I click Apply. I tried for port 2 now as you suggested and there it actually sticks/works like I want Port 1 to do. Now, if I just managed to do that with Port 1, I think it would work rigth away :)

screenshot-77.40.236.4-2022.06.23-11_41_39.png

I can't see any clear difference on port 1 vs port 2.. they are both Hybrid and both part of VLAN1 (or by default at least). But maybe this gives an important clue... Btw, after I added the Port 2, it automatically did this under Allowed VLAN-page, so config looks similar to Port 1:

Btw: I tried to remove the checkbox for "Native VLAN" on the port 1 (and 2, 3, 4) on the ports inside VLAN1, but it wouldn't stick either. Neither from the port-membership-overview page or the interface for each port. On the port-mebership-overview for VLAN40, I could remove the checkbox for all ports and that is how it is now.

Tagged VLAN40 disappeared from the Allowed VLAN on port 1 when I play around a bit. I have to re-add it manually on the VLAN interface port 1 every timeI do a small edit. I think forcing it doesn't work, it does however sticks on Port 2 as it should no matter what. So that tells me that D-Link doesn't allow it, it will be removed by the system. So even if it looks good on that last picture above, it is probably not respecting the VLAN40-tagged on Port 1.

fireix

@rcoleman-netgate said in VLAN on D-link:

@fireix You can run the PCAP on just the VLAN interface in question.

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/diagnostics/packetcapture/index.html

Ah, it is built-into the GUI, nice :)

I ran it both in "Enable promiscuous mode" and without. Tried to ping both from the machine I have setup on VLAN40 (with static IP in DHCP-range) and from pfSense. The data below is from pfSense (I pinged machine 192.168.50.15 with no reply)

12:05:26.303035 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.50.15 tell 192.168.50.1, length 28
12:05:27.303720 ARP, Request who-has 192.168.50.15 tell 192.168.50.1, length 28

I think it is is purly a config error in D-Link, port 1 is simply not "connected" on VLAN40 internally.

bingo600

@bingo600 said in VLAN on D-link:

You could make P1 (or try w P2) a Tagged port.
The only difference as i see it (30 sec glimpse at the Dlink 15xx config example) , is that you can't run Native/untagged data on it.T
So you have to TAG Vlan1 data also on the pfSense, aka Tag Vlan1 & Vlan40.

Sorry i meant Trunk port above , where i wrote Tagged.
Try to set P2 as Trunk , allowing VL40

Something is is spookey with that switch or FW ....

Try to capture on interface , not Vlan40 , that way you should be able to see if it is tagging packets with VL40.

I agree with that D-Link port , not tagging VL40 packets.
We miss a "little important thing" ..... I have no idea what ....
But you might be right in , when the "D-Link gui removes the VL40 tagging" , it might be a hint ....

Strange ... It's so easy on a D-Link 1210

I just had another glance at this
https://eu.dlink.com/uk/en/support/faq/switches/layer-2-gigabit/dgs-series/es_dgs_1510_escenario_config_vlan_por_gui_y_cli

Strange ... It seems to use a totally different way to GUI configure the ports.

You did say you had success in adding the VL40 tag to P2 , did you try to connect the pfS to that port ??

/Bingo

fireix

@bingo600

I tried the console on the switch, run the command "show vla" to list all VLANs.

It reports this:


 VLAN 1
   Name : default
   Description :
   Tagged Member Ports   :
   Untagged Member Ports : eth1/0/1-1/0/33,eth1/0/35-1/0/42,eth1/0/44-1/0/50,
                           eth2/0/1-2/0/50,eth3/0/1-3/0/50,eth4/0/1-4/0/50

 VLAN 40
   Name : VLAN0040
   Description :
   Tagged Member Ports   : eth1/0/2
   Untagged Member Ports : eth1/0/34,eth1/0/43

 Total Entries : 2

bingo600

@fireix

That seems like it has accepted VL40 tagged on P2
Try to Connect the pFS IF to port2

Do you have a 4-Unit Stack ??

What port is your Management PC connected to ?
Sometimes the port where the PC is connected behaves weird , if you want to "kill" the Vlan you're actually Managing via,

fireix

@bingo600

Two units stack. The interface is showing 4 even if you have 2,3 or 4..

Indeed, Port 2 works just like I want both in the GUI and in the console.

I wish I could just switch it over :) But then I take down all customers while testing, so want to try to avoid it.

Maybe a way to copy all traffic on Port 1 to Port 2.. port mirror?

bingo600

@fireix
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fireix

@bingo600 Hmm....

On my pfSense LAN, I have LACP-lag that goes to Port 1 on Switch 1 and Port 48 on Switch 2. I didn't think this mattered, but this migth be the cause.

I tried to put port 48 on Switch #2 into tagged-mode. Same symptom: The interface shows it is possible for this port to join VLAN40, but once I choose it and Submit, it is removed. When I did the same on the empty port 47 next to it, it sticked and worked like it should. Either I'm not allowed to put tagged on a live-port that is plugged in - or the switch refuse to put a port in LAG into tagged mode.

I see from a FAQ that VLAN-settings should be set to same on both individual ports that are member of the team, but how can I do that when D-link automatically removes the configuration before I can set it on 2nd unit..

Port definition is exactly the same for port 47 and 48 (like 1 and 2), so I can't see any other reason.

Edit: Using the "Clone port" option I was able to transfer the settings on Port 1 SW1 to port 48 SW2. But no such option for VLAN-membership.

fireix

@fireix

I tested tagging port #2 in a VLAN and then let it join in a LACP-bond/channel.. Boom, it removed the tagging setting on port #2.

fireix

I disabled all LAG/team links and connected pfSense to fresh port #3. As you see. port 3 on VLAN60 is tagged as it should.

The computer in port 34 on VLAN60 is Access port.

No contact between pfSense and the computer on VLAN60.

 VLAN 1
   Name : default
   Description :
   Tagged Member Ports   :
   Untagged Member Ports : eth1/0/1-1/0/33,eth1/0/35-1/0/42,eth1/0/44-1/0/50,
                           eth2/0/1-2/0/50,eth3/0/1-3/0/50,eth4/0/1-4/0/50

 VLAN 40
   Name : VLAN0040
   Description :
   Tagged Member Ports   : eth1/0/2,eth1/0/46,eth2/0/47
   Untagged Member Ports : eth1/0/43,eth2/0/46

 VLAN 60
   Name : VLAN0060
   Description :
   Tagged Member Ports   : eth1/0/3
   Untagged Member Ports : eth1/0/34

fireix

I have a computer where I can set the VLAN ID on and I put it to 70 on pfSenses LAN port. I got on to correct VLAN and got DHCP for VLAN70 rigth away. So error is 100% in the switch. No idea what more to try.. No way to get the VLAN tag passed through port 3 to any port no matter what I do.

Port 3 shows tagged VLANs 60,70.

fireix

@fireix

By defining an IP under meny for Layer 3 LAN interfaces on the switch with an IP in the DHCP-range, I suddenly managed to ping my pfSense (and all other networks). I could however ping everything on the pfSense. Is it supposed to work like that? Seems like I can block it under firewall rules.

This I found on the pfSense (it is the switch interface address on VLAN60 that has sent out UDP packets).

Still no DHCP though.. Doesn't get assigned.

fireix

And suddenly I have DHCP also!

Now just have to see that the VLAN seperation actually works, I can ping most stuff, by I assume it all goes through the pfSense and not port-to-port now and then I can at least filter out all traffic I want :)

bingo600

@fireix

Nice that you are making progress.

But watch out on enabling L3 on the switch , if done "incorrectly" you could easily bypass the pfSense fwall , and route packets between vlans directly on the switch.

fireix

@bingo600 Do you see any error in the "show vla" command on the console of the switch above? Not sure why it doesn't work without layer 3. Would be so much easier to avoid it, but I get no outside VLAN60 communication whatever I do.

One problem I discovered after enabling layer 3 and still not seeing DHCP, was that the switch had enabled DHCP-protection on most of the ports. Probably done years ago... So that was important discovery at least.

I see that I can control through firewall-rules on pfSense where VLAN60 can go. If I have a server in VLAN1, I can have a rule that by default block all traffic from VLAN60 to not go to servers inside VLAN1. That is a big positive. Doesn't this indicate that correct setup? Or do you think that if I create a layer3 IP on switch for VLAN40, it will allow traffic between VLAN40 and VLAN60 without going through the firewall?

bingo600

@fireix said in VLAN on D-link:

@bingo600 Do you see any error in the "show vla" command on the console of the switch above? Not sure why it doesn't work without layer 3. Would be so much easier to avoid it, but I get no outside VLAN60 communication whatever I do.

I see no immediate errors in the config except i'm not sure what switchport you have connected to the pfSense (or was that P3)
The port connected to the pfSense , should have both VL40 & VL60 as tagged.
If you want the switch to forward packets for both VL40 & 60 down that interface.

And offcause you must match the pfSense end , and have both VL 40 & 60 defined on that interface port too.

One problem I discovered after enabling layer 3 and still not seeing DHCP, was that the switch had enabled DHCP-protection on most of the ports. Probably done years ago... So that was important discovery at least.

DHCP Snooping is a usefull feature if setup correctly.

I see that I can control through firewall-rules on pfSense where VLAN60 can go. If I have a server in VLAN1, I can have a rule that by default block all traffic from VLAN60 to not go to servers inside VLAN1. That is a big positive. Doesn't this indicate that correct setup? Or do you think that if I create a layer3 IP on switch for VLAN40, it will allow traffic between VLAN40 and VLAN60 without going through the firewall?

I would expect the switch might be "kind enough" to interroute packages between the vlans with an ip interface.

I can't (wont) say anything with certainty , as this is super switch/firmware dependant , and as i said. I have not even seen a 15xx switch.

fireix

@bingo600 I ended up putting the pfSense LAN to Port #3 to have a fresh port/start.

VLAN60: Based on the show vla, all traffic arriving on Port 3 is defined as Tagged, so the switch should in theory forward any 60-traffic to Untagged-port at Port 34 and all other access-ports (untagged ports) in VLAN60? At least good to verify that in theory that is how it is supposed to work. If there is an error, I suspect it is on the Port 3 as there is many options for it under VLAN1 at least. With "native VLAN" and how these options can be set, it is hard to know exactly.

I feel it looks a bit weird to me to have all ports in vlan1 untagged. Doesn't this remove the VLAN-tag from the traffic in port 3? Or it is normal, since VLAN60 have port 3 tagged, it should still work.

"I would expect the switch might be "kind enough" to interroute packages between the vlans with an ip interface."

That's what I fear... At least it doesn't for now between VLAN1 and VLAN60, but maybe it will happen with the next VLANs I create with similar config..

bingo600

@fireix said in VLAN on D-link:

@bingo600 I ended up putting the pfSense LAN to Port #3 to have a fresh port/start.

VLAN60: Based on the show vla, all traffic arriving on Port 3 is defined as Tagged, so the switch should in theory forward any 60-traffic to Untagged-port at Port 34 and all other access-ports (untagged ports) in VLAN60?

Correct Vlan60 data should be sent/received tagged on P3 , and also be copied to all untagged port members of VL60.
All untagged traffic sent/received on P3 would (in the switch) belong to Vlan1.

What happened to Vlan40 ???
You haven't tagged VL40 one on P3 (the connection from switch to pfSense)

At least good to verify that in theory that is how it is supposed to work. If there is an error, I suspect it is on the Port 3 as there is many options for it under VLAN1 at least. With "native VLAN" and how these options can be set, it is hard to know exactly.

Native vlan is a way to tell the switch what Vlan "Untagged packages" belong , on a port that that has no "Untagged Vlan" defined. Ie. a port that only has tagged vlans defined.
If "The other end" decides to send packages untagged to that port , the switch now know what vlan to put those packages in.

I have a "Dummy VlanXX" just for native vlan purposes , all my "Pure tagged Vlan switchports" have their native vlan set to XX.
No switch ports are Tagged or Untagged members of that Vlan XX , effectively making it a "Garbage or /dev/null" vlan , where nothing listens , and packages just "die".

"I would expect the switch might be "kind enough" to interroute packages between the vlans with an ip interface."

That's what I fear... At least it doesn't for now between VLAN1 and VLAN60, but maybe it will happen with the next VLANs I create with similar config..

I feel it looks a bit weird to me to have all ports in vlan1 untagged. Doesn't this remove the VLAN-tag from the traffic in port 3? Or it is normal, since VLAN60 have port 3 tagged, it should still work.

The untagged definition only affect packaged wo a Vlan tag , VL60 on P3 is defined as tagged , and would not be affected.

But having (almost) all ports untagged menbers of Vlan1 , enables devices in all member ports , to send untagged data like from a normal netcard setup, to eachother.
Well you're the boss , the switch just does as told.

fireix

@bingo600 All servers (on non-vlan/vlan1) fell down once I connected the pfSense to port 2/LAN40 like I had prepared for yesterday. Port 2 was tagged on VLAN40 and port 34 untagged. But total block of all traffic from start. So now the VLAN40 is broken/not-used. Will fix once I'm good with VLAN60, so I can see how traffic goes (or hopefully not goes) between VLAN60 and VLAN40 on the switch.

Ended up resetting everything and using Port 3 instead with fresh vlan-setup.. somehow what seems to be the same setup now works (kind of). I think it changes if you define a port as access-port vs doing it as hybrid and untags it. In theory, it should be similar, but..