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      mmiller
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      I tried to upgrade my memory to 2 Gigabytes last night in my X8000.  I figured I would max it out and ran into a roadblock.  When I installed the new memory all it would do it make a beeping sounds.  Nothing would come up on the LCD screen.  What I ordered was DDR1 400 PC3200 ECC.  Can anyone provide me with a type of DD1 400 with or with out ECC.  I really would prefer ECC though. An I guess if anyone else has the same type of ram maybe they can test as well.  I didn't think to download the hardware guide to try and reset the BIOS via the jumper.  Do you think that might be my issue the BIOS expects 512 megs.  I also  didn't see the VGA connector on the X8000.  I had thought the 2x8 2mm pitch IDC 16 connector was on the X8000.

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        Hmm disappointing.  :(

        Doesn't the original P4 2.8GHz cpu run with a 533 FSB?
        The bios behaves just as a standard desktop bios as far as ram settings are concerned. I'd be very surprised if it was locked at 512MB, though I haven't tried it. I don't think the standard ram is ECC.
        I have seen some bioses that through out an error when you change the ram. It could be saying something you can't see.
        The 2mm pitch VGA header is only in the X-e box as you have found. I don't beleive the X-Peak has any vga hardware at all.

        Steve

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          mmiller
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          That is very disappointing.  I'm going to continue on my quest to get more ram for the X8000.  Maybe I will have a talk with the mother board manufacturer.  I was able to get a 4 gig CF card to boot with out making any changes to the BIOS settings.  Well I can't really make any changes to the BIOS.  It would be nice to see the BIOS screen with out flashing the current BIOS.

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            charlie0440
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            @stephenw10:

            I trying to buy a x8000 and have read the whole thread. Thanks for all the work steve.

            What is the best way to integrate Wifi into the firebox? I can see you have an antenna, what are the options ie USB or minipci? Model number of working devices would be appreciated. I don't mind modding the case but I have never done any soldering so hopefully none is needed.

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              mmiller
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              I have a x8000 and your only option is the minipci slot.  There is only one USB slot and it's a v1.0 or 1.1 not v2.0 USB.  You could try usb but get less than the 12 megabits of bandwidth you would be expecting.

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                charlie0440
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                So will this one work: Atheros AR5213A AR5004G Super G 108 Mbps Mini PCI Card.

                How do you attach an antenna to a minipci?

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  That should work ok although there are issues with the driver. I get the 'stuck beacon' report in the logs a lot if I'm on a busy channel.
                  You need to use a short adapter cable to connect to the minipci card known as a 'pigtail'. I recovered the antenna and cable from an old access point.

                  Steve

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                    charlie0440
                    last edited by

                    Thanks. Im gonna try this card: Atheros AR5008 (Model: AR5BMB-0072TA) plus it comes with the pigtail cables.

                    My x8000 should arrive in the next few days.

                    stephenw10: Noise is my concern I have a X700 sat here next to me and its LOUD. Do I need to replace the processor in the X8000 or can I leave the stock processor in and just change the heatsink fan. I read about your pin mod

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      The standard fans are loud!. The standard CPU, 2.8GHz P4, is a hot chip with a 70w TDP. Also it has no power saving features which means it runs hot even though you almost certainly won't be using most of it's processing capacity.
                      There are loads of compatible processors available for almost nothing that use less Watts. It's worth trying something cooler if you are fitting slower fans. Although I ran the original CPU and it wasn't running too hot with slower fans but I wasn't stressing it.

                      Steve

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                        sevilla
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                        Im using X1250e and bought a 4GB CF and tried to install it pfsense 2.0. I cant get signal from console. Its appears the CF isnt recognized. I tried from 512 CF with the same version (512MB version) and all works well.

                        Any idea?

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                          last edited by

                          The X1250e is not the X-peak platform, it's X-e a later model.
                          It's the same hardware as the x550e, x750e etc.

                          In order to boot from a CF card larger than 256MB you need to make some adjustments in the bios.
                          See the x550e thread, here, for a huge ammount of information!

                          Steve

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                            WGFX5000
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                            Watchguard Firebox X5000 Motherboard Diagnostic LED: D3 and D4 Green, D5 Red
                            LCD Flashing But Nothing On It.
                            System Can't Boot.

                            What's the problem of the hardware?Please Help

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Hmm, it's been a while since I took the cover off mine but I don't remember it having any diagnostic LEDs.
                              Are you sure you don't have an X5500e?
                              I'll look tomorrow.

                              Steve

                              Edit: Wait are they next to the CF card?

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                                WGFX5000
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                                Model:X5000

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                                  shanon
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                                  Thanks Steve for your response on the X700 thread.

                                  I haven't made any further progress on my issue with the X8000 at this stage, but I have been ordering up some diagnostic equipment (POST diagnostic card, MINI PCI VGA adapter.  Also a flash programmer / spare chips soon).

                                  I have nil BIOS development experience, but I'm certainly willing to give it a go, should I get some spare time.  I've had a look at coreboot (one of the open source BIOS firmware efforts) and at first blush there seems to be a better-than-even chance that I could get something out of it.  There's also serial console redirection for most embedded SuperIO chipsets!

                                  I don't expect that the issue will be with the size of the bootable partition or the size of the CF card, however that's something I'd like to experiment with further.

                                  I had also pondered doing a firmware upgrade from the GUI… I'll likely give that a go over this coming weekend on a spare CF card.

                                  I've also compared sector 0 between the original WG installation, v1.2.3RC1 and newer versions.  There's not much evident yet -- all end with the MBR signature 0x55AA.  There are three different sets of boot code, and different partition layouts.  Perhaps the only thing that could be said for the non-working examples at the moment is that the first primary partition is the bootable one, and partitions start on head # > 0.  I haven't de-compiled the code yet, but I'm wondering if the early stages of each bootloader may be using different CHS or LBA addressing?

                                  Final piece of speculation for tonight: if I remember correctly, before I put back the lid, the label indicated that my BIOS was v1.1.  I think I've seen a label with v1.2 photographed on this forum... perhaps leading credence to a theory that there are different BIOS firmware versions in the wild with slightly different defaults?

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                    The BIOS in the Watchguard box is far more complex than a standard bios. However most of the extra functionality it provides is not necessary to run pfSense.
                                    For example the Watchguard BIOS:

                                    • Has code to drive the LCD and read the keypad.
                                    • Can choose to boot different things depending on the keypad status
                                    • Has a complete copy of RedBoot built into it for restoring the OS remotely.

                                    Clearly none of that is required for pfSense.
                                    I looked at CoreBoot a few times but without external eprom equipment it looked too risky.
                                    I don't think the serial port uses the SuperIO chip (though there are ports on that) it's using the built in ports on the ICH chip 6300ESB. Looking at a datasheet I could be wrong.

                                    Just having two different bios versions would be interesting.
                                    What is yours listed as?
                                    You can see in the first post here that mine is 10/21/2004.

                                    Steve

                                    Edit: Actually I think you're right, it's on the SuperIO chip:

                                    
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A, console

                                    I must be getting confused with the X-e box.  ::)

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                                    • stephenw10S
                                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                      @WGFX5000

                                      Clearly they should all be green before it boots up.
                                      There is no public documentation to explain what the LEDs do so it's a guessing game. I can try to look at the boot sequence to see when D5 should turn green.
                                      If there is nothing at all on the display then it's not running the bios code (or the display is broken!). In order to run the code it must have a CPU, some RAM and the correctly programmed bios eprom.
                                      Try reseating the CPU and RAM.

                                      Steve

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                                        shanon
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                                        @shanon:

                                        I had also pondered doing a firmware upgrade from the GUI… I'll likely give that a go over this coming weekend on a spare CF card.

                                        Well, due to a busy week at work and a number of recent lock-ups, I haven't been able to try an upgrade. I suspect one cap of leaking electrolyte and have also had a bit of a thermal issue with the Scythe replacement fans partially failing in the middle of summer.

                                        Earlier in the week I was able to dump the BIOS firmware in-place via the firmware hub using a BSD port of the flashrom program.  Haven't had a chance to analyse the file with any particular tool, though, as there wasn't anything quickly to hand for my Mac or Windows machines.  Not sure what the build date on the firmware is, however I did check (and pull-up to confirm flash chip part no.) the stick-on label.  It did say V1.21 after all.  'strings' didn't find any date in ASCII format, but a quick glance at the dumped image file suggests it intact, and I'll probably load some tools up in a virtual machine in the coming days to delve further.

                                        I'm awaiting arrival of a few parts to debug further – I'll report back any significant findings.

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          You can open it and poke around in the menu settings with modbin6 in DOS/Windows. It doesn't give access to anything really interesting though. For that you probably need a decompiler and a lot of patience!

                                          Have you ever read this: http://sites.google.com/site/pinczakko/pinczakko-s-guide-to-award-bios-reverse-engineering

                                          I've tried to a number times!  ::)

                                          Steve

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                                            power_matz
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                                            Hi,

                                            I am trying to use the other NIC's of my FireBox as normal Ethernet ports like the ones of a switch/hub.

                                            E.g: my LAN port is port 1, port 0 is WAN. The other ports (2 - 5) should all be the same like the LAN port.
                                            I found some threads where these ports are "bridged" together. Is this the right way?
                                            But then I have difficulties with the DHCP server for example.
                                            Or is it even more simple???

                                            Does anyone here is using the spare ports of a watch guard like I want it to do?

                                            Matthias

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