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    • CNLiberalC Offline
      CNLiberal
      last edited by

      I've got an X7SLA-H-O Atom 330 motherboard in a SuperMicro case running pfSense 2.0-RC1 (latest updates as of 03/10/2011.  This whole setup is sitting on an HP ProCurve 1810G-24 switch.  Every once in a while, the pfSense box's fans will kick in on over drive.  They stop after a few minutes.  However, I'd like to figure this out and stop it from happening.  I can't seem to find any temperatures when I run:

      
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/var/log(9): sysctl hw.acpi.thermal
sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal'

      This chipset is all Intel, so I'm wondering why I'm not able to query the temperature.  It's entirely possible that the hardware is not supported.  However, I'd like someone else to confirm or deny this.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

      Jim

      pfSense 2.7.2-RELEASE

      Dell R210 II
      Intel E3-1340 v2
      8GB RAM
      SSD ZFS Mirror
      Intel X520-DA2, RJ45 SFP+ (WAN) and 10Gb SFP+ DAC (LAN)
      1 x Cisco 3850 12XS-S (Core Switch)
      2 x Cisco 3750X PoE Gig Switch (Access Stack)
      3 x Cisco 2802i APs (Mobility Express)

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      • J Offline
        jdetmold
        last edited by

        i would install mbmon

        if your running embedded u need to make it rw first if not just run the "pkg_add -r mbmon" command

        
/etc/rc.conf_mount_rw
pkg_add -r mbmon
/etc/rc.conf_mount_ro

        then run this to display stats

        
/usr/local/bin/mbmon -I

        it will just loop and keep displaying until you hit <control><c>hope that works</c></control>

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        • CNLiberalC Offline
          CNLiberal
          last edited by

          jdetmold:

          Thanks for your response!  I ran the following commands, however, it doesn't look like my mobo is supported.  Odd as it's an Intel chipset.

          
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(1): pkg_add -r mbmon
Fetching ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-8.1-release/Latest/mbmon.tbz... Done.
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(2): /usr/local/bin/mbmon -I
No ISA-IO HWM available!!
InitMBInfo: Unknown error: 0
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(3):

          It's just so odd that it doesn't happen regularly.  I've ordered a SATA to CF flash adapter, so I'm hoping that taking the HDD out will lower the heat in there.  Thanks for your idea!  Am I just out of luck?

          Jim

          pfSense 2.7.2-RELEASE

          Dell R210 II
          Intel E3-1340 v2
          8GB RAM
          SSD ZFS Mirror
          Intel X520-DA2, RJ45 SFP+ (WAN) and 10Gb SFP+ DAC (LAN)
          1 x Cisco 3850 12XS-S (Core Switch)
          2 x Cisco 3750X PoE Gig Switch (Access Stack)
          3 x Cisco 2802i APs (Mobility Express)

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          • stephenw10S Offline
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
            last edited by

            mbmon can use other meathods to talk to a sensor, try 'mbmon -d' to look for other chips.

            It probably won't work though as you won't have any smbus drivers loaded, unless you've altered stuff.

            You could try one of the other hardware monitoring programs though.

            Try the superiotool package to see which superio chip you have (usually what monitors temperature).

            Steve

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            • CNLiberalC Offline
              CNLiberal
              last edited by

              After doing a quick search on the "Tubes", I found someone else with the same issue.  So I ran the following commands:

              
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(1): /usr/local/bin/mbmon -I
No ISA-IO HWM available!!
InitMBInfo: Unknown error: 0
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(2): /usr/local/bin/mbmon -d
Using ISA-IO access method!!
* Winbond Chip W83627HF/THF/THF-A found.
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(3): /usr/local/bin/mbmon 

Temp.= 46.0, 55.0, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 46.0, 55.0, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69
^C
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(4):

              I'm taking this to mean that the temperatures are actually being detected (~55C).  I don't know what the other numbers mean (55, 127.5).  I'm guessing 127.5 is the max, and 46 the low, but those are guesses.

              pfSense 2.7.2-RELEASE

              Dell R210 II
              Intel E3-1340 v2
              8GB RAM
              SSD ZFS Mirror
              Intel X520-DA2, RJ45 SFP+ (WAN) and 10Gb SFP+ DAC (LAN)
              1 x Cisco 3850 12XS-S (Core Switch)
              2 x Cisco 3750X PoE Gig Switch (Access Stack)
              3 x Cisco 2802i APs (Mobility Express)

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              • CNLiberalC Offline
                CNLiberal
                last edited by

                I happened to catch the router doing it's fan thing.  Here is what mbmon shows.

                
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(4): /usr/local/bin/mbmon

Temp.= 46.0, 55.0, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 46.0, 54.5, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 46.0, 54.0, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 46.0, 53.5, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 45.0, 53.0, 127.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 45.0, 53.0, 127.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 45.0, 53.0, 125.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 45.0, 52.5, 124.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 45.0, 52.0, 122.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 44.0, 51.5, 121.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 44.0, 51.0, 120.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 44.0, 50.5, 119.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 44.0, 50.5, 117.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 50.5, 116.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 49.5, 115.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 49.5, 114.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 49.0, 112.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 49.0, 111.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 49.0, 110.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 48.0, 109.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 48.5, 108.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 43.0, 48.0, 107.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 48.0, 106.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 47.5, 105.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 47.5, 104.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 47.0, 103.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 47.0, 102.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 47.0, 101.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 46.5, 100.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 46.0, 99.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 46.0, 98.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 46.0, 97.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 45.5, 96.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 45.5, 95.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 45.5, 94.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 42.0, 45.5, 93.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 45.0, 92.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 45.0, 91.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 45.0, 90.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 45.0, 89.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 44.5, 88.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 44.5, 88.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 44.0, 87.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 44.0, 86.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 86.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 85.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 84.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 84.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 83.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.5, 82.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.0, 81.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.0, 81.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 43.0, 80.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 79.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 79.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 78.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 78.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 77.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 76.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 40.0, 42.5, 76.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 40.0, 42.5, 75.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 40.0, 42.5, 74.5; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 74.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69

Temp.= 41.0, 42.5, 74.0; Rot.=    0,    0,    0
Vcore = 2.32, 3.73; Volt. = 3.33, 5.59, 14.04,  -2.16,  1.69
^C
[2.0-RC1][root@pfsense.MYNETWORK.localdomain]/root(5):

                The first three numbers went down as the fan was running.  The fan turned off at the end of the code I pasted in.  Now I'm seeing that the three numbers are increasing again.  Obviously, more heat is being generated in there.  Not great.  I really hope this CF adapter puts out less heat.  However, if it comes down to it, I guess I could put in a fan along the back.  Something quiet to keep the whole rig cooler. :-(  I'll try the other program you suggested.  My ultimate goal would be to graph this data, however, that might be out of the range of the RRD graphs.  Thanks!

                Jim

                pfSense 2.7.2-RELEASE

                Dell R210 II
                Intel E3-1340 v2
                8GB RAM
                SSD ZFS Mirror
                Intel X520-DA2, RJ45 SFP+ (WAN) and 10Gb SFP+ DAC (LAN)
                1 x Cisco 3850 12XS-S (Core Switch)
                2 x Cisco 3750X PoE Gig Switch (Access Stack)
                3 x Cisco 2802i APs (Mobility Express)

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                • stephenw10S Offline
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  It's hard to say what the three numbers are. If I had to guess I would say the first one is a chipset sensor the second one a cpu sensor and the last one is unconnected and is giving you a value relative to ambient, which will decrease when the fans are on.
                  Interesting that it doesn't see the fans spinning up.
                  There's no need to try superiotool as you can see it's a Winbond 83627-XX chip.
                  The best thing to try is wait until the temperatures are reasonably stable and then reboot into the bios and compare.
                  On my own system the reported temperature is dependent on cpu load. If I load the cpu it jumps by 10° instantly! Obviously this can't happen in the real universe.  ::)

                  You could try the coretemp(4) driver. I'm seeing mixed reports on Atoms.

                  Steve

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                    indesman
                    last edited by

                    I've been trying to get coretemp(4) working on my 2.0 RC1 box running on an Atom N270 motherboard. I followed the instructions from http://www.unix.com/man-page/freebsd/4/coretemp/ to run it at boot by adding 'coretemp_load="YES"' to loader.conf, which I succeeded in doing. When I SSH in and enter coretemp(4) I get "coretemp: command not found".

                    I then tried to find the kernel configuration file so I could add "device coretemp" to it but couldn't find the file  /usr/src/sys/i386/conf .  Where is the configuration file and how do I add to it?

                    P.S. I also tried mbmon but it didn't recognize my hardware.

                    Thanks,
                    Michael

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                    • stephenw10S Offline
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Coretemp reports it's results via syscontrols. You need to view them like so:

                      sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature

                      Typed at the command line.

                      Steve

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                      • I Offline
                        indesman
                        last edited by

                        Thanks for the directions.  When I enter it I get:

                        [2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(2): sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature
sysctl: unknown oid 'dev.cpu.0.temperature'

                        So I looked up some other permutations which yielded the following results:

                        
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(3): sysctl hw.acpi.thermal
sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal'
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(5): sysctl -a |egrep -E "cpu\.[0-9]+\.temp"
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(6):
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(8): sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature
sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature'
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(9):

                        My guess is that if coretemp were to work I might need a different oid.  Is there some place I can find a list of possible oid's to try?  Also, is acpi_thermal typically loaded by the kernel or should I add it to loader.conf? (If I do need to add it is the syntax acpi_thermal _load="YES"?)

                        FWIW, here's the output from mbmon:

                        
[2.0-RC1][admin@pfsense.brownhome.local]/root(22): mbmon -A
InitMBInfo: Unknown error: 0
This program needs "setuid root"!!

                        I have not idea how to "setuid root"
                        Many Thanks
                        Michael

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                          RedRep
                          last edited by

                          Indesman: Check out this thread
                          http://forum.pfsense.org/index.php/topic,39595.0.html

                          To other people searching for monitoring CPU temp on Atom boards and having similar issues as presented in this topic - click the above link too.

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