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      McFuzz
      last edited by

      Greetings fellow pfSensers :)

      I am trying to implement pfSense 2.0 RC3 on an older SuperMicro server. Box has 2x1.6 GHz dual core Xeon LV procs with 2 GB of RAM and a 74 GB raptor drive. Yes, I know, overkill. No, I don't have anything better to do with that box :p

      The problem I am facing, well more like the annoyance I am facing, is that when that box is on, it sounds like a million angry bees even when fan control is enabled and fans drop to a lower speed.

      I've scoured the web but can't find anything that would allow me to control the speed of the fans on that box (has two turbine style fans). The board I have is a X6DAL-G; the only thing that I managed to get to somehow report temperatures was mbmon but, alas, fan speed it did not report.

      Anyone has any idea how I can go about getting fan control?

      Thanks!

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        Metu69salemi
        last edited by

        only thing what i can figure out is to drop out voltage from fans with some kind of voltagecontroller (resistor or 5-9v regulator) or change fans to quiter ones

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        • Cry HavokC
          Cry Havok
          last edited by

          Any reason for not going for the final release (not that I expect it to solve your fan problem)?

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            McFuzz
            last edited by

            I just noticed that the final release is available today; I did the install yesterday so it's not like it is configured to my liking just yet. Slapping the final rev would not be a big deal. Nevertheless… without me getting those fans to shut up, I don't think I'll be able to test it out any time soon.

            Regulating voltage via a resistor is a novel idea however I do want to be able to crank those fans up in the event it's super hot and I am away from home (i.e. work, etc).

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              mikeg
              last edited by

              You could add a SPDT switch to select between 5V and 12V patched from a drive connector.  Although many 12V fans won't start with 5V, they'll run OK once started.  If you need more than 5V, use 12V with a Zener diode across the fan and an appropriate power resistor in series.

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                McFuzz
                last edited by

                @mikeg:

                You could add a SPDT switch to select between 5V and 12V patched from a drive connector.  Although many 12V fans won't start with 5V, they'll run OK once started.  If you need more than 5V, use 12V with a Zener diode across the fan and an appropriate power resistor in series.

                That would probably be my last resort assuming I can't find a suitable software solution.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                  last edited by

                  If you have fan speed control in the bios then you have the possibility of a software sollution.
                  It is probably controlled by the superIO chip. If you're lucky it might be one with auto control built in. If so you just need to set the right registers to activate it.

                  Steve

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                  • jimpJ
                    jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                    last edited by

                    Does your motherboard's ACPI implementation get fully picked up by the OS?

                    Check the output of:

                    $ sysctl hw.acpi.thermal
hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0
hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10
hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 0
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 35.5C
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: 70.0C
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 100.0C
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: 70.0C -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: 4
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: 3
hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: 60

                    Check acpi_thermal(4), in particular the active part (if supported by your BIOS).

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                      McFuzz
                      last edited by

                      I'll try to pull some data today… thanks gents!

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                        McFuzz
                        last edited by

                        Darn - I guess this is not good news  :(

                        
[2.0-RELEASE][root@pfSense.localdomain]/root(2): sysctl hw.acpi.thermal
sysctl: unknown oid 'hw.acpi.thermal'
[2.0-RELEASE][root@pfSense.localdomain]/root(3): sysctl hw.acpi
hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S4 S5
hw.acpi.power_button_state: S5
hw.acpi.sleep_button_state: S1
hw.acpi.lid_switch_state: NONE
hw.acpi.standby_state: S1
hw.acpi.suspend_state: NONE
hw.acpi.sleep_delay: 1
hw.acpi.s4bios: 1
hw.acpi.verbose: 0
hw.acpi.disable_on_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.handle_reboot: 0
hw.acpi.reset_video: 0
hw.acpi.cpu.cx_lowest: C1
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                        • jimpJ
                          jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
                          last edited by

                          Nope, if that's the case then the fans can't be controlled by the OS.

                          There may be some other package/utility out there though.

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                            McFuzz
                            last edited by

                            I bet there is but alas, my FreeBSD knowledge is not as good as it is with Linux or Windows :\

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Whats the superI/O chip on that board? I bet the fan is controlled by that.

                              Steve

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                                McFuzz
                                last edited by

                                The board has a Intel® E7525 chipset; I am no sure if that would help figure out what Super I/O chip it has… any hints on how to check via CLI?

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                                • stephenw10S
                                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                  last edited by

                                  You look for it with SuperIOtool.
                                  You can pkg_add it:

                                  pkg_add -r superiotool

                                  You may have to use the full path since the 8.1 package repo no longer exists.

                                  Or just look at the board, it's probably Winbond or ITE.

                                  Steve

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                                    McFuzz
                                    last edited by

                                    Update!

                                    My local fry's had these awesome rheostat based fan controllers so I bought two and wired them to the outside of the case! Woohoo!

                                    The bad news are, though, that I did not count the PSU fan - that guy gets loud on his own and is… hummy to say the least. At least now it does not sound like a thousand angry wasps... just 10.

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                                      pf123user
                                      last edited by

                                      You are never going to be able to quiet down a (non-passive) rack server. I went through something similar with a few workstation PCs that I use and found a few things that helped - instead of running 8x 1GB sticks of RAM I realized I can easily get away with 4GB so I installed 1x 4GB sticks of RAM. This generated less heat and also very much slowed down the memory cooling fans (making them quieter).

                                      I also changed out my CPUs - I went on eBay and found a lot of Xeon x5063 CPUs (vs the x5060's I was running) which draw less power (the x5063 is a low-voltage CPU). I also realized that some of my boxes didn't need to be running two CPUs so I was able to cut down to only single CPU.

                                      Additionally I turned on PowerD and turned off anything extra not in use (including pulling the video card). This greatly reduced my power consumption, lowered the heat and reduced fan usage. Its still not perfect but this is with a Dell stock BIOS and no other modifications.

                                      You may want to look at alternative fans that have a different blade pitch - they may require more power to operate but be quieter. You are going to have a tradeoff but should be a simple plug & play swap with the super-O chassis/motherboard combo.

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                                        reyoolmot
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi,

                                        Did anyone ever get a resolution for controlling fan speed?

                                        Thanks.

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Are you using the same board? Super Micro X6DAL-G.

                                          @http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon800/E7525/X6DAL-G.cfm:

                                          Total of six 4-pin fan headers
                                             6x fans with status monitoring
                                             Status monitor with firmware/software on/off control
                                             Low noise fan speed control
                                             Pulse Width Modulated (PWM) fan connector

                                          It is definitely possible with this board it just needs some coding to do it.

                                          Steve

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                                            jsbsmd
                                            last edited by

                                            I have the same issue, but with a proliant dl380 running the latest build.

                                            Is there anyway to install the freebsd proliant tools?  http://people.freebsd.org/~jcagle/  :'(  or can the developers create a package?

                                            The issue is that when the system board senses a high temp alert, it kicks the fan into high speed and without software it remains in high speed until you reboot the box.

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