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How to block in Windows10 Telemetry with pfsense

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    KOM
    last edited by Aug 24, 2015, 5:29 PM

    A centralized solution would be best.  If you're going to go local, why not just use one of the many utils already out there?

    http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

    http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/

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      BBcan177 Moderator
      last edited by Aug 24, 2015, 5:37 PM

      http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-privacy-spying.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheHackersNews+%28The+Hackers+News+-+Security+Blog%29

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        robi
        last edited by Aug 24, 2015, 7:38 PM

        Well, looking at the news, I decided to simply not upgrade my Win7 to the free Win10.
        Instead, I'm starting to evaluate seriously using a Linux distro as a desktop OS. Ubuntu-MATE is a really good candidate given that the user interface can be easily customized to look similar to Windows (just as Linux Mint too).

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          foresthus
          last edited by Aug 25, 2015, 4:50 PM

          @cyberbot:

          @foresthus:

          Thank you very much.

          telemtry uses a million links
          Blocking those won't rely block it
          I have created some powershell to disable this .

          Hi there,

          Still waiting for the script. Will it be posted?

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            foresthus
            last edited by Aug 26, 2015, 11:01 AM

            @robi:

            Well, looking at the news, I decided to simply not upgrade my Win7 to the free Win10.
            Instead, I'm starting to evaluate seriously using a Linux distro as a desktop OS. Ubuntu-MATE is a really good candidate given that the user interface can be easily customized to look similar to Windows (just as Linux Mint too).

            Hi,

            do u really think, that win7 or above are not connecting to MS? LOL
            You mentioned to stay close to win7. That is OK 4 me, but a solution to the problem that ms-infos of your station might be send to ms or even other companies working with ms together is still present. There I would test your workstation, with a firewall before, what traffic is going to which URL or ip.

            The best solution is say farewell 2 your ms-system and switch over to linux.

            It just an idea  ;) Do not 4get that the whole world wants 2 go to cloudservices (not only ms)

            cu

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              KOM
              last edited by Aug 26, 2015, 2:52 PM

              I decided to simply not upgrade my Win7

              All the same telemetry shit was added to 7, 8 and 8.1 in a recent Windows Update.

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                n3by
                last edited by Aug 27, 2015, 7:54 AM

                Do you have that w7 w8.1 update nr ?

                If is not marked as security then can be uninstalled if by mistake somebody installed.

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                  robi
                  last edited by Aug 27, 2015, 8:40 AM

                  Thank God I already switched my machines to Linux.
                  To be really honest, I really don't see any difference while using it. I was perfectly able to switch over all my workflows to Ubuntu Mate.

                  Win7 is still there "dormant" on the disk as the installs are dual-boot at the moment, but if I'll be able to sustain the Linux desktop the way it is, absolutely frustrationless for about 2-3 months, I'll be surely deleting the Windows partition to reclaim the space.

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                    robi
                    last edited by Aug 27, 2015, 8:42 AM

                    @KOM:

                    A centralized solution would be best.

                    Agree, but that would be very hard to accomplish, because at a central location, it will be very hard to distinguish between useful traffic and and Microsoft telemetry traffic.
                    I guess they were smart enough to bypass simple firewall rules by frequently changing CDN IPs and addresses.

                    And local solutions installed on Windows 10s themselves are not trustful.

                    So, the only real solution is to either:
                    a) don't upgrade to Windows 10
                    b) switch over to something else

                    Of course the fact that all this telemetry was deployed to Win7 and Win8 engraves the situation. Hopefully it can be uninstalled somehow.

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                      robi
                      last edited by Aug 27, 2015, 8:48 AM

                      @n3by:

                      Do you have that w7 w8.1 update nr ?

                      http://www.infoworld.com/article/2911609/operating-systems/kb-2952664-compatibility-update-for-win7-triggers-unexpected-daily-telemetry-run-may-be-snooping.html
                      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3g7hr0/removing_telemetry_from_windows_7_and_8x/

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                        KOM
                        last edited by Aug 27, 2015, 1:40 PM

                        Thank God I already switched my machines to Linux.

                        I've been contemplating that for 10+ years, but there was always a reliance on special software that I couldn't get for Linux.  Now that I don't do a lot of desktop stuff at home anymore, I'm thinking now might be the time to dump Win10 and go with Mint Cinnamon.

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                          robi
                          last edited by Aug 28, 2015, 5:24 AM

                          You can find equivalent programs under Linux for most of the daily tasks. No to little effort is required to switch over.
                          There could be though very special industrial apps which were made for Windows-only, that's true. But for the regular home user, Linux is a perfect alternative.

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                            KOM
                            last edited by Aug 28, 2015, 1:26 PM

                            I've been adminning Linux boxes for more than a decade so I'm generally aware of what's available.  For me, the showstoppers were always a decent money-management app (eg. Quicken, MS Money), a good Usenet browser (eg. Newsleecher, Forte Agent) and a decent RSS reader (eg. Feeddemon, QuiteRSS).  Nowadays I don't use a money app, Usenet indexers have removed the need for an NNTP browser, and there are several decent RSS readers for Linux.  I really should have thought of this 2 weeks ago before I spent a weekend doing the Windows 10 thing.

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                              foresthus
                              last edited by Sep 2, 2015, 7:05 AM

                              @KOM:

                              A centralized solution would be best.  If you're going to go local, why not just use one of the many utils already out there?

                              http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

                              http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/

                              Do not use that, you cannot go back without using a " restore point".

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                                n3by
                                last edited by Sep 2, 2015, 7:22 AM

                                have a look here:

                                https://github.com/WindowsLies/BlockWindows

                                http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/

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                                  KOM
                                  last edited by Sep 2, 2015, 1:57 PM

                                  Do not use that, you cannot go back without using a "  restore point".

                                  ShutUp10 will prompt you to let it create one before it applies its changes.  I didn't bother as I can't see any scenario where I would need to undo that stuff.

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                                    Sea Monkey
                                    last edited by Sep 2, 2015, 10:41 PM

                                    Please forgive me.  I'm a bit of a noob.  Do these look right?

                                    ![allow update.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/allow update.PNG)
                                    ![allow update.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/allow update.PNG_thumb)
                                    ![block telemetry.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/block telemetry.PNG)
                                    ![block telemetry.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/block telemetry.PNG_thumb)

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                                      n3by
                                      last edited by Sep 3, 2015, 8:09 AM

                                      yes it looks ok.

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                                        KOM
                                        last edited by Sep 3, 2015, 1:34 PM

                                        Your pass rule isn't required unless you've really locked down your LAN.  By default, LAN has full access out to everywhere.

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                                          n3by
                                          last edited by Sep 3, 2015, 1:52 PM

                                          yes it is required because other way update destinations will be blocked from Blocked rule that have these destinations included in case you don't want to allow update.

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