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    Latency spikes during Filter reload - CE 2.6.0

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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      What sort of latency are you seeing? How many firewall lines?

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        cclarke69 @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10 - around 300 active rules across 10 interfaces. WAN RTT goes from <7ms to >200 ms for around 50s. RTTd from 0.2ms to > 800ms for the same period.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          Urgh, that's pretty bad.

          How many actual rulset lines though? As reported by: pfctl -sr | wc -l

          If you run the table reload commands I showed above do those come back in reasonable time?

          Steve

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            cclarke69 @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10 - output of pfctl -sr | wc -l is 1987. That command returns in about 1s

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              cclarke69 @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10 - Which table reload command do you mean?

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                cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10 - 1 table created.
                128188/128188 addresses added.
                0.29 real 0.12 user 0.16 sys

                for time pfctl -t bogonsv6 -T add -f /etc/bogonsv6

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  Yes, that. And those times look fine.

                  You might also try:

                  [22.01-RELEASE][admin@5100.stevew.lan]/root: time pfctl -f /tmp/rules.debug
                  0.377u 0.329s 0:00.70 98.5%	208+187k 1+0io 0pf+0w
                  

                  Hardly additional rules on that box though:

                  [22.01-RELEASE][admin@5100.stevew.lan]/root: pfctl -sr | wc -l
                       121
                  

                  Steve

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                    cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                    @stephenw10 - time pfctl -f /tmp/rules.debug -> 6.06 real 0.35 user 5.70 sys

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                      cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 - 0.370u 5.780s 0:06.15 100.0% 203+182k 5+0io 0pf+0w

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                        cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 - If it helps, I've restarted the pfSense and observed the stats. The WAN RTT was very high for ~50s after the GUI became available. The OpenVPN interfaces carried over the WAN connection gave normal RTT immediately.

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                          cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10 - And wireguard doesn't start after reboot. Having resaved the wireguard peers, the Gateways looked like

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                          When all should be sub 10ms.

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                          • stephenw10S
                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                            Hmm, those Wireguard stats are continually? Or for the 50s after boot?

                            6s to load the ruleset is pretty extreme too.

                            Testing here with a 1700 line ruleset and not seeing this. Still digging....

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                              cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 - The stats above are for WAN and 2 OpenVPN interfaces, during the ~50s after Wireguard starts. I assume the rules are reloaded at that time? The other point I was making is that Wireguard won't start after reboot, until the WG peers have been disabled and re-enabled. I believe there's another thread somewhere on that topic. Wireguard was fine on 2.5.2

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                                cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                                @stephenw10 - Here is the ThinkBroadband Monitor showing pre and post upgrade

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                                Stopping the rc.filter_configure_sync cron job running stops the latency spikes.

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                                  Averlon @stephenw10
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                                  @stephenw10 said in Latency spikes during Filter reload - CE 2.6.0:

                                  Testing here with a 1700 line ruleset and not seeing this. Still digging....

                                  Maybe there is more to it than just rule count.

                                  @cclarke69

                                  Do you have any Rules with advanced Options like State Type != keep or Gateway override for policy based routing? Do you use Gateway Groups in some rules?

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                                    cclarke69 @Averlon
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                                    @averlon - From memory,

                                    • State Type != keep -> no

                                    • Gateway groups -> yes

                                    • Gateway override -> yes

                                    • Also Traffic shaping -> yes

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                                      Averlon
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                                      For Reference

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                                      Have currently only console access via IPMI. Gonna do some tests later, when I get in-band access to that machine.

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                                        cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                                        @stephenw10 @averlon - as a test I disabled SMP by adding kern.smp.disabled=1 to /boot/loader.conf.local . Early indications are that this mitigates the latency issue. There was apparently a similar issue in 2.4.5 - https://forum.netgate.com/topic/149595/2-4-5-a-20200110-1421-and-earlier-high-cpu-usage-from-pfctl

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                          Yes, though it isn't a regression of that issue directly as that was easy to replicate in the end.

                                          Just to confirm you are seeing spikes pinging to the firewall or though it? Or Both?

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                                            cclarke69 @stephenw10
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                                            @stephenw10 - I see both.

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