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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dfinjr
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      @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

      handy for me to prove to you that it was happening?

      Your isp connection sure didn't have a mtu size of 1753, so a routing device would/could fragment it down to correct mtu size the network its routing the packets over.

      Here i just setup ws16.2.2, out of the box setup.. Installed a VM (ubuntu)... Browsing amazon via nat interface.. the vm has a 192.168.37 IP from WS

      nat.jpg

      Sniffing - at my pfsense router, on the physical network... You can see all 1500 (1514) frames.. They are coming from my VM host IP 192.168.9.100, because the VM is using the natting workstation network.

      vmware.jpg

      You are going to have NOTHING but issues trying to use a frame size of some odd size like that.. Once go through a layer 3 router, the frame could be adjusted to the frame size on the transit network to get to the next hop, etc.. But even if that works, its problematic doing that! Now your router is spending all the time fragmenting up packets that are some odd ball size to the standard size.

      I do not know where it is happening (but sure isn't pfsense), but a 1753 (1767) frame size not standard for any ethernet network.

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dfinjr
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        @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

        Here is what I see:

        NO!! that is the not the interface - that is your VM interface... What is the interface on the HOST os that vm workstation created!

        vmwarenet.jpg

        See the different net1 net8 and then the natting interface.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          Just to be sure we are not chasing the wrong thing here; is that traffic between local subnets also failing?

          Is that routed though pfSense?

          Do we see any oversized frames on connections between the internal VM and external hosts? I would definitely expect that to fail but I didn't see any when I looked initially.

          Steve

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          • DaddyGoD
            DaddyGo @dfinjr
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            @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

            I know you're all waiting on me at this point :)...

            do you see something strange here?

            C:\ProgramData\VMware\hostd\hostd-n.log

            vswitch section...

            e8e3ac4f-31c0-49f8-b09f-bfabbb1a4374-image.png

            Cats bury it so they can't see it!
            (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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              dfinjr @johnpoz
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              @johnpoz said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

              Browsing amazon via nat interface.. the vm has a 192.168.37 IP from WS

              Hi @johnpoz
              Nat will work, bridged will not.

              I believe you on the MTU thing :) I just am having trouble wrapping my head around this all but I'm working on that understanding.

              I am still trying to figure out how those Jumbo Packets are originating. Is it possible that this was happening with Cisco and then getting fragmented and handled by the Cisco appliance?

              I see only two virtual adapters but this is what I see:
              8ec128e3-403b-413c-8afd-b1245f96a5b0-image.png

              6d0ff3ad-21f1-491c-892b-2dd15d00db32-image.png

              dc4026f6-1130-46e1-b2d8-e5695450745e-image.png

              No nat interface for me:
              f8391244-213a-4721-a5b9-8b86bc0b1e51-image.png

              @stephenw10
              No traffic is failing between internal subnet is good and traffic from that subnet (172.16.0.0/24) to the google wifi looks good. Some slight complications with the DMZ subnet I created but that is on the back burner at the moment.

              @DaddyGo
              Don't see that log: (would you like to see another log?)
              3ccc7d79-255a-4052-8353-b78b19053137-image.png

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @DaddyGo
                last edited by johnpoz

                @daddygo what are you running exactly - I don't see that in my brand new install of vmware workstation 16.2.2 on windows 10.

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                  dfinjr @DaddyGo
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                  @daddygo
                  Think I found it:
                  d0d96bb5-9ede-4e71-b907-249b21d26fdb-image.png

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                  • DaddyGoD
                    DaddyGo
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                    @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                    Don't see that log: (would you like to see another log?)

                    C:\ProgramData\VMware\hostd\hostd-n.log

                    the "n" is just the current log version, which in your case is now 64 the rest is already compressed by the log rotator

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                      dfinjr @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz
                      6946f4cd-fc36-4501-9ff2-a405ff8620e2-image.png

                      Also on win10.

                      The only difference I saw between our two configurations was that you were running NAT based vs bridged:
                      d7e89e8a-3f9d-40a3-b1cd-8260d8c0ef79-image.png

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @DaddyGo
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                        @daddygo I don't see any hostd directory there in my shiny new vmwareworkstation pro install.

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                        • DaddyGoD
                          DaddyGo @johnpoz
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                          @johnpoz said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                          what are you running exactly

                          same....

                          aa1c8ff7-9eb0-4527-be05-479120140f02-image.png

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dfinjr
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                            @dfinjr I could move it to bridged network.. It just defaults to natting, one sec

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                              Still not convinced we are not chasing the wrong thing here. Unless someone can show me an oversized packet for a connection that's actually failing?

                              How are those other private subnet connected @dfinjr ? What's routing them?

                              Steve

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                              • DaddyGoD
                                DaddyGo @johnpoz
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                                @johnpoz said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                                I don't see any hostd directory there in my shiny new vmwareworkstation pro install.

                                hidden "folders" in principle...

                                6323c892-ca6d-4251-935e-6b5c3de823e1-image.png

                                d502c5c1-961c-4eef-b98d-15049c3e78b2-image.png

                                Cats bury it so they can't see it!
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                                • DaddyGoD
                                  DaddyGo @dfinjr
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                                  @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                                  .......................

                                  please draw us (even by hand) a network topology (if this is not a problem)

                                  Cats bury it so they can't see it!
                                  (You know what I mean if you have a cat)

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                                    dfinjr @stephenw10
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                                    @stephenw10
                                    Routing is happening in a few places. Routing is primarily being through pfsense/netgate. Here is a quick diagram:
                                    a7ac9d9e-33f5-48e8-8c62-bb2fae2dbff3-image.png

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                                    • johnpozJ
                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @DaddyGo
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                                      @daddygo I am viewing hidden folders.. I don't see any of those folders under there

                                      hidden.jpg

                                      And here in bridge mode, still the current mtu

                                      bridged.jpg

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                                      • DaddyGoD
                                        DaddyGo @dfinjr
                                        last edited by

                                        @dfinjr said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                                        Routing is happening in a few places.

                                        you are a mind reader, hee hee hee

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                                          dfinjr @DaddyGo
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                                          @daddygo
                                          Here is a little more:
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                                          • DaddyGoD
                                            DaddyGo @johnpoz
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                                            @johnpoz said in VMware Workstation VMs Web Traffic Being Blocked:

                                            I am viewing hidden folders..

                                            since log(s), may be generated here later, try to turn off - turn on guest OS
                                            (yours is a fresh install)

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